how does this compare to Hermes which is much cheaper?
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> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…
Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.
I don't disagree, but what a godawful prospect.
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LLM is really an anti human technology. The incentives that creates are terrible for society
Counter point: Companies have made their pages as hard as possible to access with automated tools. People move to agents, if your site is "invisible" to agentic users (no API, no MCP) people won't find it. Companies start opening up APIs - which lets non-agent users like us create tooling on top of it _without_ agents.
Not that useful when large swathes of the population are unemployed, which is where this is all aiming.
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Humans can take accountability for mistakes, and there are systems in place to help you if they don’t.
I imagine the same systems will evolve for agents as well, if nothing else because lack of trust will impact provider's bottom line.
How so? Each human is a different "model", and its constrained to the physical world. What are we going to do? Put whole corporations in jail, shareholders included?
Limit what they can do?
The "it went sideways" scenario for 100k agents spawned across the world using the same bad model is completely different from humans going sideways.
Re: Grok Bot
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.
LLM is really an anti human technology. The incentives that creates are terrible for society
I hope some relative of yours gets saved and cured by a disease that LLMs cured and that will change your mind forever
Re: Grok Bot
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
LLM is really an anti human technology. The incentives that creates are terrible for society
Counter point: Companies have made their pages as hard as possible to access with automated tools. People move to agents, if your site is "invisible" to agentic users (no API, no MCP) people won't find it. Companies start opening up APIs - which lets non-agent users like us create tooling on top of it _without_ agents.
Do you have even an example of this (one should ask for measurable data openness) or are you just making stuff up? Everything around has/is becoming more closed and I have one example: Reddit. It is not impossible to read without an account (account-walled).
Re: Grok Bot
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Nah, there have been no improvements in the fundamental issue that makes LLMs vulnerable to prompt injection - data and command intermingling. They may be better at detecting injections today, but that’s an arms race. Specifically, it’s an arms race where as soon as the pace of LLM development slows down the attackers will have a huge advantage.
Yeah, sadly data and command intermingling are also one of the main things that make these "AI" appear so human. Humans are also susceptible to prompt injection all the time, we just call it differently: social engineering or scam.
Incorrect. If every sentence you hear is indistinguishable from your inner monologue and you can’t tell the difference between your uncle saying something and thinking it yourself, seek help.
Re: Grok Bot
#248Does it have access to X API? One limitation in CC, Codex etc. is that they don't have access to X which sometimes has an answer not available via their search providers.
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They don't need to have access to your accounts. You can give them their own accounts.
Sure, but then what’s the use of them? Sounds like a very expensive tamagotchi.
You just give them the permissions they need to do their work.
This approach exploits the fact that managing permissions for humans is a very old requirement and most platforms have good support for it already. You can then issue API keys from the agent's accounts if you want to restrict permissions further.
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They don't need to have access to your accounts. You can give them their own accounts.
How do I give an agent its own bank account credentials in a way it can interact with my accounts? How do I give an agent access to my inbox with its own account? How do I get it to interact with my Youtube subscriptions with its own account? What is the use of an agent with its own accounts that are separate to my accounts? What am I even getting out of it at that point?
The point of this approach is to create AI employees and interact with them as you would with employees, not to have an AI powered plugin for managing YouTube subscriptions. Nothing stops you doing both, of course, with AI "closer" to your accounts being more like a normal software feature that you just interact with and the Grok Bots or equivalent being more like employees that are expected to run for long periods without interaction with you.