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Re: Grok Bot

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Post by akoboldfrying »

akersten wrote: post #80
XCSme wrote: post #76

The eternal fight between bots and anti-bot systems. The difference now is that big companies themselves promote/offer bots, but they also don't like to be scraped and use captchas. What do we do now? Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system? Is it allowed to scrape data? Are there any laws for this? If we do things manually it is ok, but not if we use a bot? Confusing (legal) times...

> Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system? I'd hope so, because that's what we're doing right now. Your browser is automatically speaking HTTP for you so that you don't have to. Am I having a bit of a laugh? Maybe. But really, services should be user-agent agnostic. That's the whole "agent" part of User Agent and the founders of the Internet had incredible foresight to name it this way. > Is…

> request data and receive what the other server voluntarily transmits?

Taking your position to its logical conclusion implies that we shouldn't try to mitigate DDoSes either.

In many cases, what the other server voluntarily transmits has so far been based on the tacit assumption that a person, with person-level time and computational power, is doing the receiving. While in principle a machine could be doing it even in pre-LLM times, in practice many websites, including all the biggest ones, have implemented a wide range of approaches to try to curb machine access, starting with user agent checks and rate limits but by no means ending there.

The question is: Given the new landscape, where this assumption increasingly does not hold (because AI agents are increasingly able to simulate anything a person could do online), would those servers voluntarily transmit that data? In many cases, the answer is no.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by kylecazar »

anthonyskipper wrote: post #60

The scariest part of the interaction is the first video at https://x.ai/bot where the bot just snags your creds from the browser and takes over. So many people are going to give x all their data and creds.

I assume they store your session state/token for whatever SaaS it needs to work with but not the creds.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by dgellow »

slg wrote: post #70
raincole wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

Everything is becoming wildly inefficient, all in the name of improved efficiency.

And everybody in the chain can even justify their improved efficiency! It‘s capitalism endgoal. A massive Goldberg machine, where each piece can be optimized, but overall does produce close to no value compared to its cost and effort

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by FuckButtons »

napoleond wrote: post #86
FuckButtons wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but then what’s the use of them? Sounds like a very expensive tamagotchi.

Do your colleagues at work have access to all of your own accounts, or are they expensive tamagotchis?

I trust that my colleagues are not going to do stupid things with their accounts, I cannot say the same for agents, and making their own accounts that you’re still responsible for seems like you’ve just moved the problem rather than actually resolving it, since ultimately, you’re still responsible for their actions.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by mvdtnz »

mike_hearn wrote: post #30
dgellow wrote: post #12

Are you all comfortable with the idea of agents running non stop with access to all your accounts? I would be so anxious all the time, thinking they would leak or delete my personal data, or get hijacked via prompt injection or a security vulnerability. I just cannot imagine using such a software without overview

They don't need to have access to your accounts. You can give them their own accounts.

How do I give an agent its own bank account credentials in a way it can interact with my accounts? How do I give an agent access to my inbox with its own account? How do I get it to interact with my Youtube subscriptions with its own account?

What is the use of an agent with its own accounts that are separate to my accounts? What am I even getting out of it at that point?

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by walrus01 »

anthonyskipper wrote: post #60

The scariest part of the interaction is the first video at https://x.ai/bot where the bot just snags your creds from the browser and takes over. So many people are going to give x all their data and creds.

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Re: Grok Bot

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Post by walrus01 »

dgellow wrote: post #12

Are you all comfortable with the idea of agents running non stop with access to all your accounts? I would be so anxious all the time, thinking they would leak or delete my personal data, or get hijacked via prompt injection or a security vulnerability. I just cannot imagine using such a software without overview

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Re: Grok Bot

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Post by walrus01 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #95
mike_hearn wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need to have access to your accounts. You can give them their own accounts.

How do I give an agent its own bank account credentials in a way it can interact with my accounts? How do I give an agent access to my inbox with its own account? How do I get it to interact with my Youtube subscriptions with its own account? What is the use of an agent with its own accounts that are separate to my accounts? What am I even getting out of it at that point?

They're nowhere near smart enough, but in an ideal case, the same utility you would get out of hiring a $600 a month personal assistant with a basic desktop PC who lives in a developing country somewhere on the other side of the planet and speaks reasonably good English. If the AI/LLM is good enough (they're not, yet), the same level of access/credentials/logins that you would give to an entirely new real person.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by WillMorr »

I'm a little baffled by this, it's basically like the remote Claude instances I already use every day except it has absolutely no safeguards? If I wanted to make a claude could post to linkedin it would be like one prompt to spin that with playwright. Like you can just have persistent Claude code sessions, if you aren't cost sensitive you can just keep restarting the session whenever.

They're clearly targeting less technical users but in exchange are asking you to upload every login you have to Elon's servers which is an insane thing to do imo. What a world where people are giving their Instagram sign in to the bot formerly known as mechahitler.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by tomrod »

raincole wrote: post #46
pavel_lishin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…

Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

AI Loopidity in other words
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