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Re: Grok Bot

#71

Post by jbs789 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #43
jjcm wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A reasonable pushback. It originally only reached out to 5, didnt hear back, so reached out to 5 more. I personally pushed it to reach out to an additional 30 after that. One of the difficulties of sourcing this is a lot of the suppliers in vietnam are only contactable via whatsapp. Emails are monitored far less. It's one of the reasons I haven't been successful with this in the past despite trying - it's a very word…

I don't think your reply addresses the point of my comment at all, which is that people receiving messages from AI agents isn't scalable in the same way that people sending messages from AI agents is.

And more generally, very often the recipient of an email bears more cost than the sender.

I heard this once and keep it in mind for every email I send. How do I reduce the cost of replying. Many times it means getting on the phone/ not sending the email at all.

Re: Grok Bot

#72

Post by aaron695 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #35
jjcm wrote: post #23

I've been using it for the last month or so. IMO in the same way we went from tab complete -> prompts -> agents, this feels like a next step on that evolution. I highly suspect others will be following suit. I was surprised with how much it felt natural to interact with agents in this way. Biggest advantage is each one owns its own routines, context, and domain, and they can communicate between each other. Similar to…

> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…

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Re: Grok Bot

#73

Post by FuckButtons »

mike_hearn wrote: post #30
dgellow wrote: post #12

Are you all comfortable with the idea of agents running non stop with access to all your accounts? I would be so anxious all the time, thinking they would leak or delete my personal data, or get hijacked via prompt injection or a security vulnerability. I just cannot imagine using such a software without overview

They don't need to have access to your accounts. You can give them their own accounts.

Sure, but then what’s the use of them? Sounds like a very expensive tamagotchi.

Re: Grok Bot

#74

Post by zeafoamrun »

raincole wrote: post #46
pavel_lishin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…

Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

It's crazy dude, whenever we put up a job ad it's filled with thousands of LLM generated fake candidates in a few days.

Looking at the examples they show here it is making more sense. Also where all the "content" on LinkedIn comes from.

Re: Grok Bot

#75

Post by theplumber »

whimsicalism wrote: post #62

How do they stop providers (like Amazon, etc.) from detecting and blocking these agents if they are running on cloud? I know that openai wasn't able to avoid this which is why they moved to 'computer use' on your local machine. I almost wonder if this is a place where SpaceX, as an internet provider through starlink, has a unique advantage because websites are unable to block their networking as it could be residenti…

I think it creates a loop back connection, basically a reverse socks5 or a VPN if they are more sophisticated. That’s how I would do it. Note that I am also working on a such bot/AI os and mine is better (for now) . If you have trillions, billions to or millions to invest feel free to reach out.

Re: Grok Bot

#76

Post by XCSme »

The eternal fight between bots and anti-bot systems.

The difference now is that big companies themselves promote/offer bots, but they also don't like to be scraped and use captchas.

What do we do now? Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system? Is it allowed to scrape data? Are there any laws for this?

If we do things manually it is ok, but not if we use a bot?

Confusing (legal) times...

Re: Grok Bot

#77

Post by reaperducer »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #43
jjcm wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A reasonable pushback. It originally only reached out to 5, didnt hear back, so reached out to 5 more. I personally pushed it to reach out to an additional 30 after that. One of the difficulties of sourcing this is a lot of the suppliers in vietnam are only contactable via whatsapp. Emails are monitored far less. It's one of the reasons I haven't been successful with this in the past despite trying - it's a very word…

I don't think your reply addresses the point of my comment at all, which is that people receiving messages from AI agents isn't scalable in the same way that people sending messages from AI agents is.

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Re: Grok Bot

#78

Post by XCSme »

zeafoamrun wrote: post #74
raincole wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

It's crazy dude, whenever we put up a job ad it's filled with thousands of LLM generated fake candidates in a few days. Looking at the examples they show here it is making more sense. Also where all the "content" on LinkedIn comes from.

Will we have any way to know if a submission was done by a human or a bot?

Re: Grok Bot

#79

Post by XCSme »

jbs789 wrote: post #71
pavel_lishin wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think your reply addresses the point of my comment at all, which is that people receiving messages from AI agents isn't scalable in the same way that people sending messages from AI agents is.

And more generally, very often the recipient of an email bears more cost than the sender. I heard this once and keep it in mind for every email I send. How do I reduce the cost of replying. Many times it means getting on the phone/ not sending the email at all.

Isn't a phone call like 10x more taxing than an email reply?

Re: Grok Bot

#80

Post by akersten »

XCSme wrote: post #76

The eternal fight between bots and anti-bot systems. The difference now is that big companies themselves promote/offer bots, but they also don't like to be scraped and use captchas. What do we do now? Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system? Is it allowed to scrape data? Are there any laws for this? If we do things manually it is ok, but not if we use a bot? Confusing (legal) times...

> Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system?

I'd hope so, because that's what we're doing right now. Your browser is automatically speaking HTTP for you so that you don't have to.

Am I having a bit of a laugh? Maybe. But really, services should be user-agent agnostic. That's the whole "agent" part of User Agent and the founders of the Internet had incredible foresight to name it this way.

> Is it allowed to scrape data?

You mean, request data and receive what the other server voluntarily transmits?

> Are there any laws for this?

There was a court case that said the above is fine, thankfully, since that's how the internet works. There's probably other cases going on and I'm sure at least one of them will have some unfortunate tech-illiterate result that makes things worse for anyone who understands this stuff.

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