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The scariest part of the interaction is the first video at https://x.ai/bot where the bot just snags your creds from the browser and takes over. So many people are going to give x all their data and creds.
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How do I give an agent its own bank account credentials in a way it can interact with my accounts? How do I give an agent access to my inbox with its own account? How do I get it to interact with my Youtube subscriptions with its own account? What is the use of an agent with its own accounts that are separate to my accounts? What am I even getting out of it at that point?
They're nowhere near smart enough, but in an ideal case , the same utility you would get out of hiring a $600 a month personal assistant with a basic desktop PC who lives in a developing country somewhere on the other side of the planet and speaks reasonably good English. If the AI/LLM is good enough (they're not, yet), the same level of access/credentials/logins that you would give to an entirely new real person.
This is obviously the future, where this will all end up. But just like when I saw the demos for Google's "AI build the interface dynamically", I wonder how much of the demo actually translates to real usage. One thing that this highlights for me even more than before is that having accounts for my bots is what I really want. I want SaaS providers to catch up to bot use. They need their own accounts on a lot of these…
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> Your browser is automatically speaking HTTP for you so that you don't have to. Yes, but it's not filling in the forms or clicking the buttons for me. HTTP is just infrastructure. Are LLMs infrastructure? Are we too maybe infrastructure? Where do we draw the line? > You mean, request data and receive what the other server voluntarily transmits? I mean to go over a large collection of publicly or privately (to you) a…
> I mean to go over a large collection of publicly or privately (to you) available pages and parse and collect the data, with idea of using it in other purposes. I've always called that "learning" but I guess it's called something else when a robot does it :)
From FAQ: How is Grok Bot different from AI assistants? Bots have their own computer, so they can work inside your apps and tools. They also run in parallel, 24/7, even when your laptop is closed. How does it work with login-walled sites like LinkedIn then? And what does "own computer" mean? X provisions a "private cloud" a'la Apple for your Bot?
This is obviously the future, where this will all end up. But just like when I saw the demos for Google's "AI build the interface dynamically", I wonder how much of the demo actually translates to real usage. One thing that this highlights for me even more than before is that having accounts for my bots is what I really want. I want SaaS providers to catch up to bot use. They need their own accounts on a lot of these…
How does per-seat pricing work against bots? If anything it's a great deal because SaaS providers set per-seat pricing with the expectation that on average most seats are idle. Bots working 24x7 can get a lot more value out of a seat than humans working 9-5.
As an example, I wanted to set up users in AWS identity center so I can give view only access to bots for my infrastructure, but that requires different email addresses. I set up an alias on my existing user so I didn't have to do that, but ideally I could have accounts for agent1 and agent2.
I can usually find workarounds like this but I feel I shouldn't have to. I don't want the agents to share my permissions in general since I'm often the admin. I want to give them limited scopes whenever possible.
edit: for reference, a Google Workspace user is ~220CAD/year and a github user is ~50USD/year. That is quite expensive if I want to add a couple of agents (well over 500CAD/year).
So OpenClaw that steals your data and profiles you for the US gov. No thanks.
yeah, it really feels like the economics of AI are going to settle on trust - who do you trust to act on your behalf, because that's where the real value comes in. and at the same time, it feels like all the AI companies - not just elon - are doing everything they can to burn trust.
do these guys not know we can reverse this stuff in 10min?
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> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…
This is what happens when you place a "contact us for a quote" form on your website. You will get a high percentage of requests that lead no where. Do you have any experience with a company that receives RFQs to land business? You will spend a lot of time answering all of the questions and digging around to ensure you can actually do what is requested spending days/weeks on it. Only for the work to go somewhere else.…
The problem these model providers have now is there software is basically useless. Tell me one reason why I would use this at my company? I basically have to bet on Grok being the best models for this. Or I can use an open source version and use whatever model I want. You see this with coding agents, everyone used Claude Code and then realized holy shit this is expensive and now use open source agents and they can us…
> Tell me one reason why I would use this at my company? I believe the selling point here is these run on their own VMs, so you don't need to set up your own harnesses, models, and security infrastructure to run agents. Historically people tend to pay for single-click commercial solutions for complex technical set ups like that.
What if Grok models become horrible or they increase the pricing of the subscriptions now you have to migrate off. Instead you could just use the open source version that allows you to choose your providers and switch cost is just the time to switch those providers.
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Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.
We will soon be in a world where human to human communication is the only one that has value. Mark my words