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Re: Grok Bot

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Post by shikshake »

PhunkyPhil wrote: post #116
FuckButtons wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I trust that my colleagues are not going to do stupid things with their accounts, I cannot say the same for agents, and making their own accounts that you’re still responsible for seems like you’ve just moved the problem rather than actually resolving it, since ultimately, you’re still responsible for their actions.

Are agentic systems like these making correct decisions more often than humans really unthinkable? A comment like what you just wrote was unimaginable 5 years ago

Humans can take accountability for mistakes, and there are systems in place to help you if they don’t.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by GPerson »

solid_fuel wrote: post #110
pavel_lishin wrote: post #43

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I don't think your reply addresses the point of my comment at all, which is that people receiving messages from AI agents isn't scalable in the same way that people sending messages from AI agents is.

Funnily this whole example illustrates what everyone on the outside of the LLM psychosis train is saying. The user without empathy has managed to save 30 minutes on a task they could have done themselves anyway. The only cost was wasting the time of at least 39 other people. It’s gross.

That’s how I feel about AI people taking over the arts and fields like mathematics. For most of them it’s just a neat trick, and maybe there’s some business in there (the OpenAI tik tok clone as an extreme example), but for a huge portion of the world AI doing this work represents the end* of one of the best parts of life. I can’t help but view the AI researchers and promoters as callously stomping all over human culture and patting themselves on the back (also stuffing their pockets with the loot) for doing so.

*Or at least a serious philosophical adjustment, and not all artists want to draw without even being seen.. Not all mathematicians are playing some abstractly analogous version of chess. Not every way of human existence that has been forgotten is 100% regressive and bad.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by redox99 »

mrtksn wrote: post #64

Interesting how everyone seems to be following OpenAI on UX. When I used Antigravity and they suddenly switched to Codex type UI I was very annoyed because I kept checking if this is Codex or Antigravity. Either way, I still don't think that computer use is solved. It worked horribly on Codex and Antigravity the last time I tried. Maybe I was doing something wrong.

Computer use will suck until we get 500+ tk/s

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by akersten »

XCSme wrote: post #89
akersten wrote: post #80

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> Is it allowed to use automated tools to interact with any system? I'd hope so, because that's what we're doing right now. Your browser is automatically speaking HTTP for you so that you don't have to. Am I having a bit of a laugh? Maybe. But really, services should be user-agent agnostic. That's the whole "agent" part of User Agent and the founders of the Internet had incredible foresight to name it this way. > Is…

> Your browser is automatically speaking HTTP for you so that you don't have to. Yes, but it's not filling in the forms or clicking the buttons for me. HTTP is just infrastructure. Are LLMs infrastructure? Are we too maybe infrastructure? Where do we draw the line? > You mean, request data and receive what the other server voluntarily transmits? I mean to go over a large collection of publicly or privately (to you) a…

> I mean to go over a large collection of publicly or privately (to you) available pages and parse and collect the data, with idea of using it in other purposes.

I've always called that "learning" but I guess it's called something else when a robot does it :)

Re: Grok Bot

#145

Post by akoboldfrying »

akersten wrote: post #140
akoboldfrying wrote: post #91

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> request data and receive what the other server voluntarily transmits? Taking your position to its logical conclusion implies that we shouldn't try to mitigate DDoSes either. In many cases, what the other server voluntarily transmits has so far been based on the tacit assumption that a person, with person-level time and computational power, is doing the receiving. While in principle a machine could be doing it even…

> Taking your position to its logical conclusion implies that we shouldn't try to mitigate DDoSes either. Not really. At any time you can, and should, choose not to reply to traffic that is wasting your bandwidth - ban IPs, use DDOS mitigation services, etc. My position is simply that regulation doesn't belong in this space, and it's ok for the 'net to be a dog eat dog world. Kind of what keeps technology advancing a…

But who decides what comprises "wasting [my] bandwidth"? This is subjective.

Is it me (the site owner in this example)? If so: Since it's my subjective decision to make, couldn't I equally legitimately decide that traffic I serve to non-human entities is "wasting my bandwidth"?

To be clear, I'm not trying to make the case that there should be some law in place that prevents scraping or machine access across the board -- only that it would make sense for website operators to be able, optionally, to include that kind of usage restriction in an ordinary contract and legally enforce it by the usual means (lawsuits), in addition to any kind of technical restrictions they are able to put in place.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by impulser_ »

The problem these model providers have now is there software is basically useless.

Tell me one reason why I would use this at my company? I basically have to bet on Grok being the best models for this.

Or I can use an open source version and use whatever model I want.

You see this with coding agents, everyone used Claude Code and then realized holy shit this is expensive and now use open source agents and they can use open source models and cut costs.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by devin »

mike_hearn wrote: post #30
dgellow wrote: post #12

Are you all comfortable with the idea of agents running non stop with access to all your accounts? I would be so anxious all the time, thinking they would leak or delete my personal data, or get hijacked via prompt injection or a security vulnerability. I just cannot imagine using such a software without overview

They don't need to have access to your accounts. You can give them their own accounts.

People were saying this to me back in the early days with OpenClaw. They lack imagination. The downside here is not "oops it accidentally leaked the credentials to my agent email account", it is "oops it was duped into something illegal and now I'm on the hook for it".

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by rsalus »

thefourthchime wrote: post #117
jjcm wrote: post #23

I've been using it for the last month or so. IMO in the same way we went from tab complete -> prompts -> agents, this feels like a next step on that evolution. I highly suspect others will be following suit. I was surprised with how much it felt natural to interact with agents in this way. Biggest advantage is each one owns its own routines, context, and domain, and they can communicate between each other. Similar to…

How is this different than, say, OpenClaw, which I've heard people say does the same kind of things? Is it that they each have their own VM?

probably because it actually works

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by rsalus »

shikshake wrote: post #141
PhunkyPhil wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are agentic systems like these making correct decisions more often than humans really unthinkable? A comment like what you just wrote was unimaginable 5 years ago

Humans can take accountability for mistakes, and there are systems in place to help you if they don’t.

I imagine the same systems will evolve for agents as well, if nothing else because lack of trust will impact provider's bottom line.
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