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Re: Grok Bot

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Post by jryle70 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #35
jjcm wrote: post #23

I've been using it for the last month or so. IMO in the same way we went from tab complete -> prompts -> agents, this feels like a next step on that evolution. I highly suspect others will be following suit. I was surprised with how much it felt natural to interact with agents in this way. Biggest advantage is each one owns its own routines, context, and domain, and they can communicate between each other. Similar to…

> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…

Have you ever been in sales?

If the requests are real there would never be 5 thousands, let alone 5 millions (or the vendor would count their lucky stars).

If they are spams that already happens today as well, at scale. AI bot would not change that.

The vendor will never blindly make a sample just based on a single request. There will be back and forth. Maybe require proof that the inquirer is serious.

Sending out RFP to 40 vendors isn't unusual.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by edot »

whimsicalism wrote: post #87
theplumber wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it creates a loop back connection, basically a reverse socks5 or a VPN if they are more sophisticated. That’s how I would do it. Note that I am also working on a such bot/AI os and mine is better (for now) . If you have trillions, billions to or millions to invest feel free to reach out.

This would imply you need to have your computer on in order for it to function, which seems like a deal breaker for many consumer usecases imo. I'd like to be able to say "order my groceries" and then I hop on the subway.

Not a big deal at all. Claude Code and Codex both support keeping your computer awake. That'll just be a default thing that gets turned on when you install one of these apps.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by taspeotis »

dgellow wrote: post #12

Are you all comfortable with the idea of agents running non stop with access to all your accounts? I would be so anxious all the time, thinking they would leak or delete my personal data, or get hijacked via prompt injection or a security vulnerability. I just cannot imagine using such a software without overview

I rawdog Claude Code with --dangerously-skip-permissions and the only fucky wucky it's made is invoking git checkout wrong and losing some code in the working tree. It has done this thrice, the first two times I caught it in the act and smashed esc to rewind the conversation + code, and the third time I wasn't paying attention it just restored it from context.

So I would worry about it making small mistakes, that I would go to sleep and come back and it would be like oops I used emojis and emdashes in a JIRA comment when you told me not to. And not I HAVE REVIEWED YOUR BACKLOG AND YOUR PRODUCT IS TRASH AND IT IS UNETHICAL TO CHARGE YOUR CUSTOMERS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOUR COMPETITORS DO IT BETTER AND FOR LESS MONEY, I HAVE CREATED A MAILCHIMP CAMPAIGN TO INFORM THEM.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by solid_fuel »

shaism wrote: post #49
sixtyj wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prompt injection is my biggest fear. Imho it is almost impossible to make a sort of tool that would be successful in detecting an injection - but maybe some antivirus/antimalware producers work on it… The rest can be solved - separate account for agent spending (soon offered by your bank or neobank), separate email for agents (already exist) etc.

According to Boris Cherny from Anthropic [1], the threat of prompt injection has been largely solved. [1]: https://x.com/bcherny/status/2086520950259118464

Nah, there have been no improvements in the fundamental issue that makes LLMs vulnerable to prompt injection - data and command intermingling. They may be better at detecting injections today, but that’s an arms race. Specifically, it’s an arms race where as soon as the pace of LLM development slows down the attackers will have a huge advantage.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by whimsicalism »

edot wrote: post #112
whimsicalism wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would imply you need to have your computer on in order for it to function, which seems like a deal breaker for many consumer usecases imo. I'd like to be able to say "order my groceries" and then I hop on the subway.

Not a big deal at all. Claude Code and Codex both support keeping your computer awake. That'll just be a default thing that gets turned on when you install one of these apps.

i just completely disagree. lots of people don't even have laptops and how will they keep my laptop alive and performing tasks while it's in my backpack on the subway not connected to internet?

i feel like there's an obvious advantage if your agent can work truly in the background

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by PhunkyPhil »

FuckButtons wrote: post #94
napoleond wrote: post #86

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Do your colleagues at work have access to all of your own accounts, or are they expensive tamagotchis?

I trust that my colleagues are not going to do stupid things with their accounts, I cannot say the same for agents, and making their own accounts that you’re still responsible for seems like you’ve just moved the problem rather than actually resolving it, since ultimately, you’re still responsible for their actions.

Are agentic systems like these making correct decisions more often than humans really unthinkable? A comment like what you just wrote was unimaginable 5 years ago

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by thefourthchime »

jjcm wrote: post #23

I've been using it for the last month or so. IMO in the same way we went from tab complete -> prompts -> agents, this feels like a next step on that evolution. I highly suspect others will be following suit. I was surprised with how much it felt natural to interact with agents in this way. Biggest advantage is each one owns its own routines, context, and domain, and they can communicate between each other. Similar to…

How is this different than, say, OpenClaw, which I've heard people say does the same kind of things? Is it that they each have their own VM?

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by yellow_postit »

mvdtnz wrote: post #95
mike_hearn wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need to have access to your accounts. You can give them their own accounts.

How do I give an agent its own bank account credentials in a way it can interact with my accounts? How do I give an agent access to my inbox with its own account? How do I get it to interact with my Youtube subscriptions with its own account? What is the use of an agent with its own accounts that are separate to my accounts? What am I even getting out of it at that point?

This is the growing pain of any “employer” and I suspect lots of startups and features coming to fill the void.

Start with a shared credit card. Then company credit cards. Then you layer in spend controls.

Now repeat but for “agents”.

Whether this is more near term inefficiency to drive output side actual efficiency remains to be seen. But great if you’re selling tokens!

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