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England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by Hikikomori »

maipen wrote: post #281
Hikikomori wrote: post #249

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Oh great he's doing it now after causing fear and doubt about them for decades, getting many people killed, in Samoa for example.

Most of his criticisms have been about the timing of certain vaccines administrations. He's not anti vax. If nobody can challenge science, then it's not science. Vaccines continues to help us, but that doesn't mean they are perfect and don't cause side effects on certain individuals. Hopefuly the future brings us highly personalized medicine instead of a 1 size fits all.

I mean would you let your non coding coke head brainwormed manager challenge your coding choices? He is not a doctor or scientist, why would we listen to him. And any experts relying on using are horse dewormer grifters or worse.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

gsnedders wrote: post #351
tjohns wrote: post #331

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From a US perspective, even this seems wild to me. I've always been told that at least an annual physical exam with bloodwork is highly recommended as the standard of care for adults of all ages. Not everyone chooses to get them, of course. But ACA insurance plans here offer at least one annual physical exam free of charge (considered preventative care).

There’s a decent amount of public health research that suggests that annual physical exams don’t actually have a large impact on health. In the US case specifically, I always wonder how much of the benefit is just “here’s a free appointment with a doctor once a year”.

It's not free. If you bring anything up, you will be charged. I know because I've paid hundreds of dollars for "free" physicals that way.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by tavavex »

alibarber wrote: post #49
shevy-java wrote: post #43

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I kind of assumed that they actually meant UK. It's indeed confusing. I'd wish the BBC would use a consistent naming scheme. Guess only England was meant. That would insinuate they don't care about scotland though.

I don't understand. It's an article about England. They only have information to hand about England, from the authority tasked with dealing with health in England. If I read an article from them about crime in London, quoting the Metropolitan Police, I don't immediately think that they don't care about, say, the West Midlands.

The mistake they made is to directly say "one of the first countries" in the article title, which immediately implies a comparison to foreign countries. But clearly, since they're talking about England, which is a subdivision of the UK, why aren't they comparing this achievement to equivalent subdivisions, such as states or provinces, in other nations instead? This isn't a direct comparison (which might also make it an unfair one), so it makes sense why people would misread them by assuming that this is an error and that they meant to compare equivalents.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by laurencerowe »

tjohns wrote: post #331
iamflimflam1 wrote: post #298

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I don't want to pile into the - this is not true. But it's not true. We get regular bowel cancer screening - you get it every 2 years once you hit 50 - https://www.nhs.uk/tests-and-treatments/bowel-cancer-screeni... And there are also regular health checks available once you hit 40 - https://www.nhs.uk/tests-and-treatments/nhs-health-check/

From a US perspective, even this seems wild to me. I've always been told that at least an annual physical exam with bloodwork is highly recommended as the standard of care for adults of all ages. Not everyone chooses to get them, of course. But ACA insurance plans here offer at least one annual physical exam free of charge (considered preventative care).

Annual exams were included in the ACA but as I understand it there is no evidence to show that they improve health outcomes. I had one once in 15 years when it was incentivised by my employer (presumably trying to show that we were low risk to reduce the rates they paid?) but otherwise my doctor has never tried to book me for one.

I think I'd prefer the UK system where if you worry something is wrong you can see a doctor free of charge.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by laurencerowe »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #199
Aurornis wrote: post #187

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> In the UK once you've had your childhood vaccinations it's entirely possible you'd simply never see a doctor again in your life until you're ready for your prostate exam in older life. It's entirely possible to do this in the US, too, but it's not the default path. I know some people who think it's a point of pride to brag that they haven't been to a doctor in 20 years. I know other people who never miss their annu…

The last insurance carrier I had, through an ACA Marketplace plan, has an incentives program for members. If you go see the PCP for an annual checkup, you get about $50. If you "go paperless" 100%, you get another $50. There are about four incentives altogether, and the money is loaded on a Prepaid Visa card that is branded by the insurance carrier. The funds are not restricted, and you can spend them on anything whe…

One of my employers had that incentive but only for one year. I assume they wanted to demonstrate that as a population we were low risk but after testing us once there was no reason to do so again.

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Post by secretsatan »

freediddy wrote: post #315
secretsatan wrote: post #295

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Well that’s just not true, anti vax has always been a theme of the far right, infowars and i’m sure others have a long history of it. The left wing libs types are far more recent, and i would lump them more in with the wellness brigade.

You are completely wrong. It's always been a far left concept until COVID. This is from Mother Jones, a very liberal web site. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/the-anti-vax-mo...

Here’s an earlier article from another leftist site https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/apr/25/mmr-scare-an...

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Post by [deleted] »

amarant wrote: post #337
frereubu wrote: post #163

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I presume you're not a woman, because there's cervical screening for women aged 25-64 every five years. Also depends on what you mean by "mid life", but there's breast screening offered to women aged 50-70 and bowel cancer screening offered to people from 50 to 74 every two years. There are real trade-offs with screening, and screening too much has harms as well as too little, although I'm not qualified to make a jud…

This is the real reason women live longer than men. Doctors won't see me unless I'm dying, or at least tell them I am. And I am, if I understand things correctly, which I might not tbh, in a high risk group for prostate cancer, given that I was diagnosed with chronic prostatitis at 22. I've even asked for checkups but was denied. And where I live you can't really pay for health care (but you can pay to skip the line,…

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Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by anitil »

thex10 wrote: post #48

I am glad they’re screening for it. I was born to someone who had the virus, but didn’t know I had Hep C myself until I submitted myself to an exceptionally thorough STI testing panel. I say exceptional, because the standard ones I’d done throughout college and early adulthood do not happen to include that particular test. So I feel a bit lucky to have been able to get diagnosed and treated in my mid-20s, before the…

If you're comfortable sharing, did you have any symptoms? Or was it just latent/dormant?
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