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New Amazon Data Center Is Set to Have the Most Polluting Power Plant in the U.S.

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So... having given two contradictory opinions, which one are you settling on?

I would let Mother Nature take its course and bring balance. After all you reap what you sow

this is one of the worst positions to take and accepting no agency in the process.. and making out "nature" to be some mysterious persona that has a balancing effect for some reason

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That’s true. China dominates globally but I found that the US installed European and Japanese models. There is a big supply chain concern and set of reviews happening all across the entire government sector. Energy is a national security concern. [1] 1. https://www.energy.gov/cmei/systems/solar-photovoltaics-supp...

Your other comment got downvoted to death (not by me) so I can't reply to it, so I'm replying here. Sorry the downvoting happened; your comment wasn't incorrect. You're right that inverters with zero connectivity whatsoever are not banned; my comment was overly broad. That said... The ban covers any inverter with any wireless communication whatsoever. Bluetooth is specifically called out, despite necessarily being lo…

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Ok. A serious question. I frequently hear that wind and solar are the cheapest forms of electricity. Then why are they using gas turbines? Is it because they can generate more power with a smaller real estate footprint?

Under current administration, I'm not even sure its possible to build out green energy for this sort of thing at scale - this article[1] was on the front page just yesterday [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49208314

The court cases are starting to have effect. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/08/trump-is-losing-his-...

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Those in power seem to think that a compute advantage is necessary to maintain economic advantage. Despite this, the voters universally hate data centers, so much so that both NY and TX have data center construction moratoriums. Despite this, those in power refuse any environmentally aware energy policy nor water policy. Despite this, companies have been trying to be environmentally aware for either moral or marketin…

Modern data centers can be designed with near-zero direct water consumption. It isn’t fundamentally necessary to consume huge amounts of water to cool computers. What’s the story with those new data centers? Do they actually choose to do evaporative cooling that people are complaining about or people are complaining about problem that doesn’t exist?

They choose evaporative cooling simply because it's cheaper than a closed loop system for energy use and land area.

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post #270

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I don't think the first group understands how important Europe is to America's status as superpower, while the second group operates under the delusion that the world will go back to business as usual after the next presidential election.

Plenty of us in the second group don't think the world will go back to business as usual.

I'm sorry, friend.

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> feeling powerless to stop it You guys are the meekest sheep to ever been led astray by a howling, undisguised wolf. What more does this regime have to do to warrant massive, historic, disruptive, non-peaceful protests in the USA? Have you seen protests in France? Bringing the country to a halt is the least you have to do in order for us to ever have faith in the USA again. Until then, nothing any US citizen can say…

The problem with the US is not the regime, it's the people. We elected Trump a second time with ~50% of the vote after seeing four years of his complete buffoonery. His approval rating is still around 40%. If he were somehow to run again in 2028 (never mind it being unconstitutional), there's a pretty solid chance he'd win. His party still backs him 100%, and nobody has any idea whether they'll maintain control of Co…

If you don’t want to fight for the things you care about, you don’t deserve them. Giving up before even trying anything is completely absurd to me.

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It's possible to have more than one existential risk at a time. We even have a third, since nuclear war doesn't seem completely impossible these days. We probably shouldn't ignore any of them.

Nuclear war is hardly an existential risk. An all-out global nuclear war (all nuclear nations landing 10% of their warheads in populated areas) would be a disruption comparable to COVID at best.

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Nuclear war is hardly an existential risk. An all-out global nuclear war (all nuclear nations landing 10% of their warheads in populated areas) would be a disruption comparable to COVID at best.

Can you elaborate on this? I’m not an expert at all but this seems so far from true I’m struggling to understand if you’re serious. Wouldn’t we expect tens of millions of casualties, nuclear fallout rendering large swathes of countries uninhabitable, and ensuing total societal collapse once the globalized western world is separated from their foreign means of production?

Of course you're correct. Here's a 2019 simulation of escalating full-scale war between the US and Russia, done at Princeton based on what's publicly known about actual force postures. Immediate effects would be 34 million dead, 91 million total casualties, and 30 major economic centers destroyed on each side.

https://www.icanw.org/new_study_on_us_russia_nuclear_war

Fallout would cause significantly more casualties. Then there are the environmental effects. Science on that has evolved over the past few decades, so wikipedia is a good starting point for an overview.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

Since none of this is certain and we're talking about risks, considering the worst cases seems appropriate, and those involve agricultural collapse, several billion dead, mass extinction, and an ozone hole covering most of the planet. It might not kill off the human species, but modern civilization would struggle to recover.

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>US government is working overtime to make sure legacy technologies stay around while the rest of the world is investing into the future. "Rest of the world"? Europe isn't even a player in the AI race. China might be better placed, but they also lag the US in terms of model development and capital deployed. They've been catching up, but that's not the same as "[American will] be in a similar place to Canada at best".…

>>US government is working overtime to make sure legacy technologies stay around while the rest of the world is investing into the future. >"Rest of the world"? Europe isn't even a player in the AI race. I think the legacy technology he is referring to is the more about the electrical generation method rather than the AI use of that electricity.

Yes, all the technologies of the future demand a huge increase in energy generation that fossil fuels can’t satisfy. In the long run (decades) the US won’t be able to stay in the game with this kind of anti-scientific policies.

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It didn't happen in Canada, unless you mean the part where we rounded up all the natives and put them on reserves. I'm a white Canadian born and raised in Canada and I am far from being a minority no matter where I go, from the prairies to the GTA. Conservatives keep talking about this like it's a thing, but they do so from their majority white communities. The only places you see large numbers of immigrants is in lo…

Good answer. Too bad the people that should get the message are barely literate.

People with other ideas are barely literate. Said someone who feels good about himself today but couldn't offer up actual facts and offered nothing to the conversation.
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