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Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by jevinskie »

DannoHung wrote: post #34
TallGuyShort wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say the same thing when people in oppressive regimes are silenced with no recourse because the government has no reason to fear it's own citizens. Sigh. I did not downvote your post, but frankly I'm angry that you just assume everyone who is pro-2nd amendment just isn't as enlightened as you are.

The weapons needed to resist a regime are not weapons we allow people to generally have in America at any rate. If we really believed in the 2nd Amendment, people would be allowed to own serious weapons of war but not be allowed to own concealable personal firearms.

The 2nd ammendment is not just about protecting yourself from foreign powers or your own government. You have a natural right to self defense from all threats.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by vyrotek »

lostlogin wrote: post #25
vyrotek wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And spoons make you fat

Exactly right. But did you using your spoon make 27 fat who didn't want to be?

Sure, the analogy is silly. The point really is that [Noun] Control is impossible. What about crossbows, knives and rocks?

Things aren't the problem. People are the problem.

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Post by marknutter »

alexbell wrote: post #36

It's depressing how we are becoming numb to mass shootings due to their frequency. It seems like a week can't go by without a tragedy like this occurring.

We're numb to them like we are all other kinds of deaths. Hurricanes, winter, car accidents, tornadoes, etc. There are ways to die are far more preventable than mass shootings that we should be focusing on.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by yummyfajitas »

untog wrote: post #18
TallGuyShort wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say the same thing when people in oppressive regimes are silenced with no recourse because the government has no reason to fear it's own citizens. Sigh. I did not downvote your post, but frankly I'm angry that you just assume everyone who is pro-2nd amendment just isn't as enlightened as you are.

frankly I'm angry that you just assume everyone who is pro-2nd amendment just isn't as enlightened as you are. Where exactly do I make that assumption? You'll notice that I didn't even call for a blanket ban on guns, just that, as a nation, we could actually sit down and have a serious talk about whether people should be able to own weapons like this one for private use: [EDIT: I regret posting the link to the rifle,…

We've had that conversation several times, typically in the wake of tragic and isolated events like this one.

As a nation, we've decided that we don't want to restrict the rights of hundreds of millions of law abiding citizens merely because a few people misuse those rights. This is why politicians have generally decided not to push for more gun control - it's an election losing issue.

Incidentally, I'm confused by the point of that tweet. Here are some other .223 rifles:

http://s845.beta.photobucket.com/user/OldColdWarrior2009/med...

http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/9380/10373165_1.jpg?v=8C...

http://molot.biz/product-e/vepr223-super.jpg

For most calibers, you can find guns with many different form factors that accept bullets of that caliber. So what?

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by owenjones »

grkballer44 wrote: post #39

Within a couple years this exact scenario will play out. A gunmen will talk in a crowded place loaded to the gills. Assault rifles, bullet proof vest, explosives hid around the building. He will pull out his gun and kill the poor unsuspecting first soul. After that initial shot someone with a concealed weapons permit is going to blow his brains out cutting his rampage short ( I truly hope the person who plays the her…

You sound excited by the prospect. Personally I feel nauseous at your callous description:

'He will pull out his gun and kill the poor unsuspecting first soul. After that initial shot someone with a concealed weapons permit is going to blow his brains out...'

I truly hope that maybe we work towards a society where mass shootings aren't a monthly occurrence...

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Post by ipince »

sixQuarks wrote: post #22
malkia wrote: post #12

Horrible news. Also in China someone this morning stabbed 22 children at elementary school - wtf... http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/12/14/man-stabs-...

What did he stab the kids with, a spoon? None of them had life-threatening injuries.

Unless you get stabbed on the neck or get your stomach punctured, I think the chances of surviving a stabbing are high.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by mtgx »

bstewartny wrote: post #21
sidcool wrote: post #10

And there should be no gun control....Bollocks.

Gun control cant and wont solve these problems. These are societal problems. Anyone insane and evil enough to kill children would get guns on the black market or use some other weapon such as a bomb. Schools need to able to have armed guards and better locked/secured entries IMO.

But why is it this such a problem or the potential for such a problem so big in US, though? It it because US basically has 10x the population of most European countries, and therefore there ought to be at least one person like this once in a while? Or does this happen because, while some people may be crazy, having crazy with easy access to weapons makes the danger that much greater? I mean I can't say I've heard about many such stories in Europe.

And what about that story that in 2011 there have been 85 bullets shot during the whole year by the police, while in US the police has shot one person alone with that many bullets. Surely the easy access to guns, and to automated guns for the police, has made this that much more possible? And that it also created a culture where if someone just pisses you off enough, you're then very likely to just go and shoot them?

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Post by nollidge »

grkballer44 wrote: post #39

Within a couple years this exact scenario will play out. A gunmen will talk in a crowded place loaded to the gills. Assault rifles, bullet proof vest, explosives hid around the building. He will pull out his gun and kill the poor unsuspecting first soul. After that initial shot someone with a concealed weapons permit is going to blow his brains out cutting his rampage short ( I truly hope the person who plays the her…

Right, because everybody with a concealed weapons permit is James Bond with perfect aim and cool nerves.

Reality is a little bit messier than your fantasies.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by watty »

untog wrote: post #4

I can't wait until the part where we all don't talk about gun control and carry on as usual. Sigh. EDIT: I see my post is being downvoted. I know that it may come across as insensitive to immediately leap to the gun control debate, but frankly I'm more angry than upset by this news. How many times does it have to happen? We have a good 48 hours of emotional outpouring and then everyone forgets it ever happened.

The reason we carry on as usual is because we don't believe gun control is the solution.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-kn...

Guess we need to control sharp objects as well? It's easy to get angry at dangerous items but in reality it's the people we need to control.

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Post by hyperbovine »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #13
untog wrote: post #4

I can't wait until the part where we all don't talk about gun control and carry on as usual. Sigh. EDIT: I see my post is being downvoted. I know that it may come across as insensitive to immediately leap to the gun control debate, but frankly I'm more angry than upset by this news. How many times does it have to happen? We have a good 48 hours of emotional outpouring and then everyone forgets it ever happened.

I say the same thing when people in oppressive regimes are silenced with no recourse because the government has no reason to fear it's own citizens. Sigh. I did not downvote your post, but frankly I'm angry that you just assume everyone who is pro-2nd amendment just isn't as enlightened as you are.

Oh, that is such a straw man. In America, the country in which I (and presumably you) live, what's the body count on the ol' oppressive regime-vs-AR15 wielding madman debate anyways? I'm thinking it's on the order of 0 to a couple hundred thousand. If everybody in North Korea owned a shotgun, yes, the world would be a better place. I don't understand why that means children should be murdered en masse, or that I should have to dodge bullets in my own neighborhood (yes, really), all so that you can sleep easier at night knowing that the far-off, nebulous specter of the 'oppressive regime' is held safely at bay by your Colt 45.
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