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Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by ColinWright »

pg wrote: post #19
ColinWright wrote: post #8

From http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, ... If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. Yes, this is important, yes, it's newsworthy. No, it's not "Hacker News". It's all over the news, and there's nothing specific about hacking, or start-ups. It's not even of "deep interest" in any real sense. It's tragedy, pure and simple, and then it becomes pol…

Note those words most and probably.

Noted. Thank you for replying.

So let me ask - given that this is all over every news channel I have access to, and every other tweet in my feed is about it, do you feel that it's appropriate here?

If so then I will reassess my understanding of what you want this site to be. I appreciate that I might be wrong, and I'm willing, even eager, to assimilate more data on this and adjust my views accordingly.

It's your site - I'm pleased to have the opportunity to gain insight.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by mynameishere »

bstewartny wrote: post #21
sidcool wrote: post #10

And there should be no gun control....Bollocks.

Gun control cant and wont solve these problems. These are societal problems. Anyone insane and evil enough to kill children would get guns on the black market or use some other weapon such as a bomb. Schools need to able to have armed guards and better locked/secured entries IMO.

The kind of guards who are actually capable of armed defense cost 200K/year and work for blackwater.

As for gun control, it's really not possible as you suggest. There are almost 300 million guns in the country. I wouldn't want to be the guy rounding them up.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by untog »

pdeuchler wrote: post #40
untog wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

frankly I'm angry that you just assume everyone who is pro-2nd amendment just isn't as enlightened as you are. Where exactly do I make that assumption? You'll notice that I didn't even call for a blanket ban on guns, just that, as a nation, we could actually sit down and have a serious talk about whether people should be able to own weapons like this one for private use: [EDIT: I regret posting the link to the rifle,…

Stop linking to FUD. It's been well reported that the shooter had two handguns , a Glock and a Sig Sauer. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-co...

AP News disagrees:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONNECTICUT_SCHOOL...

"A law enforcement official in Washington said the attacker was a 20-year-old man with ties to the school and that one of the guns was a .223-caliber rifle."

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by marknutter »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #38
vyrotek wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And spoons make you fat

Guns themselves don't kill people, but they make it highly efficient. Guns are tools, they create or enhance capabilities and as such they can be judged based on the probable outcomes of their usage.

[Spoons] themselves don't [make people fat], but they make it highly efficient. [Spoons] are tools, they create or enhance capabilities and as such they can be judged based on the outcomes of their usage.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by twerquie »

bstewartny wrote: post #21
sidcool wrote: post #10

And there should be no gun control....Bollocks.

Gun control cant and wont solve these problems. These are societal problems. Anyone insane and evil enough to kill children would get guns on the black market or use some other weapon such as a bomb. Schools need to able to have armed guards and better locked/secured entries IMO.

Why put locks on your house when someone can just break the window? Why wear a seatbelt when the dash of your car will collapse your skull anyway?

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by jacquesm »

The psychology behind the kind of people that could do a thing like this baffles me completely. Insanity doesn't begin to describe it. Parents should not have to worry about whether or not their children are safe in school. At the same time armed guards at school are not a solution either, then you might as well turn it into a mini prison.

What a sad sad day.

Even countries with gun control have instances like this (but they're arguably less frequent), and some countries with lots of guns have almost no problems like this at all (Switzerland for instance).

Just trying to imagine dropping a grade school kid off at school to find them dead in the afternoon from an insane thing like this I find that I can't do it, it is just too far from what I can still imagine. And I have a pretty rich imagination...

This world could be so nice, why does it have to be such a crappy place?

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by marknutter »

xauronx wrote: post #7

This isn't hacker news. I'm going to see this depressing, heart wrenching news in a hundred other places... let me have my one safe technology news site :(

True, but it's a community whose opinion I trust more than most others, so it's often enlightening to read comments about non-hacker news posts once and a while.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by marknutter »

malkia wrote: post #12

Horrible news. Also in China someone this morning stabbed 22 children at elementary school - wtf... http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/12/14/man-stabs-...

When are we going to start talking about knife control in a serious way?

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by Spooky23 »

untog wrote: post #4

I can't wait until the part where we all don't talk about gun control and carry on as usual. Sigh. EDIT: I see my post is being downvoted. I know that it may come across as insensitive to immediately leap to the gun control debate, but frankly I'm more angry than upset by this news. How many times does it have to happen? We have a good 48 hours of emotional outpouring and then everyone forgets it ever happened.

Gun control is the easy answer. I want to know how we as a society can figure out why people get frustrated, depressed, or angry to the point that shooting up a kindergarten enters into the picture.

We don't know the backstory here, but usually these events are all about someone whose life is spinning out of control for any of a dozen reasons, and either nobody has a clue that anything was wrong or everyone thought that the guy was a timebomb and did nothing.

Re: Mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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Post by dmm »

untog wrote: post #18
TallGuyShort wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say the same thing when people in oppressive regimes are silenced with no recourse because the government has no reason to fear it's own citizens. Sigh. I did not downvote your post, but frankly I'm angry that you just assume everyone who is pro-2nd amendment just isn't as enlightened as you are.

frankly I'm angry that you just assume everyone who is pro-2nd amendment just isn't as enlightened as you are. Where exactly do I make that assumption? You'll notice that I didn't even call for a blanket ban on guns, just that, as a nation, we could actually sit down and have a serious talk about whether people should be able to own weapons like this one for private use: [EDIT: I regret posting the link to the rifle,…

What's so significant about that rifle? That it's black and scary looking?

Here's a semiauto rifle with the same calibre:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Min...

Would that one be more acceptable because it has a wood stock?

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