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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by satvikpendem »

KerrAvon wrote: post #140
asdfman123 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now we're all training AI models on our taste. All of our chat logs are being uploaded, and the AI companies are training the models on them to get them right the first time. It will soon no longer require taste. Or at the very least be 95% of the way there on the first run.

This was the basic theory behind Tesla eventually being able to stop killing Tesla drivers with FSD. It has not worked out.

It has actually, FSD is very good and the latest iteration is end to end now for many trips.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by cccchara »

sdellis wrote: post #414
cccchara wrote: post #381

Is taste really the one thing LLMs can't take away or do we talk about taste because judging has become the cheapest move available? I think focusing too much on taste is how we lose focus on the two questions that actually matter: what do I actually care about, and why do I make things at all.

You cannot separate "taste" from the question of "why do I make things at all?" because they are inextricably bound. The reason for your making something is where taste is expressed.

Agreed, and well put.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by Corvyn »

It has always been about taste. In all my years in industry, that has never not been true.

AI isn’t suddenly making taste important. It’s shortening the time between someone’s product judgment and its contact with reality.

Previously, bad taste could hide in a fog of war: technical delays, market shifts, implementation tradeoffs, changing budgets, and shifting priorities. By the time the product reached users, causality to how much 'taste mattered' was murky.

Now, we can see more clearly (and much earlier) whether the judgment behind a product creates value. AI (and it's usage in this context) makes it harder to hide bad taste.

Through that lens, I think this is a good thing.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by eudamoniac »

soundworlds wrote: post #203
eudamoniac wrote: post #106

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Hume also has an essay about this. People don't read philosophy anymore. They think blog posts are just as good, or at least more "relevant", somehow.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but I have personally found most philosophy "classics" painfully hard to get into. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected, but the truth is that sections of society (like myself) do rely on the people specializing in philosophy parsing it into current language and metaphor.

Truth is hard to get into. If it were simple and digestible, we wouldn't all keep seeking it, ever hungry for it... It has to be grappled with. You can't shake truth's hand and have a seat and have it flow into you smoothly from the latest self help book.

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Post by efilife »

tfrancisl wrote: post #419
cribbles wrote: post #411

For those keeping track, this is now (at least) the third wholly or partially AI-generated article on the theme of "taste" as enduring source of human comparative advantage to hit the HN front page. Previously: Taste in the age of AI and LLMs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47677241 You Had No Taste Before AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45288551

This article is not AI generated. Everyone is asserting it is but the author is well known as a critic of these tools in his communities. Why would he lie and use it to write an article with his genuine views, edit it to assuage the feelings of HN commenters, and then double down? Speedrunning losing his credibility, or, his writing style got on some people's nerves?

There's even a typo there, a space on one side of an em-dash and not on the other. I'm serious, noticing this makes me believe it's 100% human written

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by Krei-se »

satvikpendem wrote: post #570
Krei-se wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are grown and stable platforms now getting additions with the help of AI (which is not wrong) but they are not built by one. Its like saying you live in a 3D printed home because you added a 3D printed decoration + the house is structurally stable == its a stable 3D printed house.

This is goal post moving; partially built still means built.

Yours a partially smart take for sure.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by coldtea »

altmanaltman wrote: post #481
coldtea wrote: post #314

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> But I think it is a bit of an overblown fear that LLMs will just kill creativity and innovation in coding. Hackers will be hackin Hacking and a taste for hacking is a muscle you develop. LLMs will make most people not train it at all. Same way a huge number of people are obese and out of shape. For LLMs to be bad news in this regard, it doesn't matter if some people will still find a way to do something creative. A…

Understandable but why would you assume people will stop getting a taste for hacking just because LLMs exist? Why will they stop just because of that? Technology will make them lazy just because they can prompt an AI now? I think the human drive for excellence and tinkering cannot just be vanished just because LLMs exist. And I don't under the fat and out of shape part of the comment. Being in shape and being good at…

>Understandable but why would you assume people will stop getting a taste for hacking just because LLMs exist?

It's not a prediction, it's already the case. Like students coming into computer science degrees and letting the LLM do all the work, learning nothing. Interns phoning it in too.

>Technology will make them lazy just because they can prompt an AI now?

Yes, that's how it works. The path of least resistance is what's followed. Same way we walk less because we can just get in a car, or do or order things online now.

>I think the human drive for excellence and tinkering cannot just be vanished just because LLMs exist.

There's no trancedent "human drive for excellence and tinkering". There's either an actual force shaping or there's a path which is easier and most will turn into slobs and take.

Same way much much much fewer people tinker with their electric devices or cars than they did in the 1920s to 1970s. They just throw them out and buy a new one, even when the device is simple and repairable. And countless other examples where "excellence" or even "good" is traded for covenience.

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Post by DiscourseFan »

red75prime wrote: post #277
DiscourseFan wrote: post #25

I keep seeing people trying to define judgement and taste and then they don’t actually like cite Kant’s Critique of Judgement where this is basically the entire concern.

Shouldn't this 236-year-old paper be updated in accordance with, say, neuroeconomics research on how provenance influences aesthetic taste?

That would be a posteriori, and thus not a claim about cognition but a claim about individual minds

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Post by jazzpush2 »

hbn wrote: post #33
jazzpush2 wrote: post #32

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Intentional anonymity is perfectly tasteful.

'Intentional anonymity is perfectly tasteful.' - what? This statement is exactly the kind of hollow, meaningless fluff that gets passed around as wisdom, but means nothing. Taste is not the act, it's how the act is done.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by red75prime »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #578
red75prime wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't this 236-year-old paper be updated in accordance with, say, neuroeconomics research on how provenance influences aesthetic taste?

That would be a posteriori, and thus not a claim about cognition but a claim about individual minds

Philosophers are still considering it possible to infer things about aesthetic taste a priory? Good luck, I guess.
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