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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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It's not a majority at all. it's a manipulating minority.

I don't think "manipulating" is valid. A bit over a third voted one way, a bit under a third voted another, and a third didn't vote. The third that didn't vote was saying "sure, whatever".

Sure buddy. None of those changes to voting are "manipulating".

Counties that used to need federal preclearance closing 1,688 polling places once the Supreme Court said they didn't have to ask permission anymore is "just good fiscal sense".

North Carolina's legislature pulling data on which voting methods black people disproportionately used, then writing a bill restricting exactly those methods, is "election integrity". The Fourth Circuit threw the whole law out and said it targeted "African Americans with almost surgical precision". But sure. To you it's not manipulation.

Alabama passing voter ID and then closing 31 DMV offices, including every single one in counties over 75% nonwhite, is "saving taxpayer money". The federal DOT found it violated Title VI and made them reopen. Budget cuts, though.

Ohio's redistricting commission being told seven times by its own Supreme Court that the maps were unconstitutional, then running out the clock and holding the 2022 election on them anyway, is "federalism".

And then there's the fake electors, which people gloss over because they don't know how the process works. When you vote for president you're not voting for the president. You're voting for a slate of electors. Your state certifies which slate won, sends that certificate to Congress, and on January 6 the Vice President opens the certificates and they get counted. That's the whole election. It's paperwork.

So in 2020, in seven states Biden won, Republicans got a second set of people together, had them sign certificates declaring themselves the real electors and Trump the winner, and sent those to Congress and the National Archives. 84 people signed. Ron Johnson's office tried to hand-deliver the Michigan and Wisconsin ones to Pence on the floor on January 6. The plan, written down in a memo a month beforehand, was for Pence to count those and reject the real ones. That's "pragmatism".

Louisiana's governor suspending a congressional primary that was already underway so the legislature could delete a majority black district is just... I don't know. I'm out of ridiculous fucking excuses anymore.

And the third that didn't vote "said sure, whatever"? Some of them did. Some of them got purged off the rolls, or showed up to a precinct that isn't there anymore, or needed an ID from a DMV their county no longer has. Those are not the same group of people. Keeping the second group home is the point of everything above. Republicans have spent a decade making it harder for specific people to vote, and then pointing at the resulting turnout as proof nobody cares. Well it worked on you at least.

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#892

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All forests in the American west, barring a few relatively small parks, are new growth. Predominantly from settlers cutting them down. Indigenous practices changed which trees grew, for instance the Gary oak was much more prevalent in areas they tended. But old growth was predominantly removed by settlers.

Nope. The woods in Oregon (Willamette Valley) and WA were planted and/or allowed to grow by settlers. There are true old growths along the coast and higher up the mountains. If you want to specifically hike through the old-growth forests, Olympic Peninsula in WA is the best option. Humans were modifying the Earth on the continent-wide scale long before the industrial age.

Yes, in the Wilamette Valley the indigenous folks maintained Gary Oaks and prevented other trees from growing there. This was open oak savannah, and when the settlers came in they took the land and turned it to agricultural land. What they couldn't plant on, they ignored, and other tree species moved in to land that was previously managed to grow Gary oaks.

I'm a PNW native, you don't need to tell me about the small sliver of old growth we still have in the Olympics.

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#893

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Nope. The woods in Oregon (Willamette Valley) and WA were planted and/or allowed to grow by settlers. There are true old growths along the coast and higher up the mountains. If you want to specifically hike through the old-growth forests, Olympic Peninsula in WA is the best option. Humans were modifying the Earth on the continent-wide scale long before the industrial age.

Yes, in the Wilamette Valley the indigenous folks maintained Gary Oaks and prevented other trees from growing there. This was open oak savannah, and when the settlers came in they took the land and turned it to agricultural land. What they couldn't plant on, they ignored, and other tree species moved in to land that was previously managed to grow Gary oaks. I'm a PNW native, you don't need to tell me about the small…

> Yes, in the Wilamette Valley the indigenous folks maintained Gary Oaks and prevented other trees from growing there.

Yes, and that's a fancy way of saying "used periodic burns" to remove the vegetation to make the land more hospitable for grazers. Meaning more animals to hunt, this was arguably a form of agriculture and also served to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfires.

> I'm a PNW native, you don't need to tell me about the small sliver of old growth we still have in the Olympics.

Then you should actually learn about the history, and not its Disneyified version.

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#894

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> not one dependent on "costly subsidies". While paying out 1.2 billion dollars.

Out country is ran by bunch of Lionel Hutz clones

Lionel would be spinning in his grave, he at least appeared to feel guilt.

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Nope. I don’t claim it to be undemocractic, I only insinuate that it is very stupid. And to be fully clear: I also think these people are hypocrites because they loudly proclaim in debates and public discourse to be pro wind energy, but once they vote it is against it. I also think they are hypocrites about energy independence, because that they also want, but they have cumulatively during the past five years decline…

Does your 18 full reactors count name plate capacity only, or does it take in to consideration that wind needs to be massively over built or also come with gas peaked plants? This is important.

The number is based on expected actual annual output in GWh, not theoretical maximum. We don’t really do gas peaker plants because they are so expensive and seldom needed here.

https://www.energimyndigheten.se/energiberedskap/om-el-fjarr...

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What "world order" is this? One where cheap energy generation is seen as a good thing? Bizarre that anyone would be against a private company building solar or wind farms in this day and age. For a guy in the ai and cybersecurity industry you seem to have incredibly poor judgement Gyan.

I’ll take the solar. Its efficiencies and maintenance costs are improving way faster.

Yes but solar doesn't work at night and wind often does.

You can't put all your eggs in the same basket.

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North Americans mostly do not use electricity for heat in the winter. Around 60% use natural gas with forced air furnaces. Something closer to 80% have the option, but 20% don't bother to use it. Some of the deep south get by with electric heat, but they aren't in places where the cold is a typically a legitimate danger to health and safety.

I find something very refreshing in this, reading from Europe where we get told "gas" is the big bad, even threatening to make condensing gas boilers illegal from time to time [0], despite over 95% of homes (in the UK) being heated by this method. That said most of Europe doesn't heat or cool adequately, Spain and Portugal barely heat their homes in winter and boy it gets cold with 41F/5C nights. Then Germany/Switzer…

I live in northern Spain and it really doesn't get that cold. There's about a month during which I need a little plug in heater to stay above 18 degrees C. Then after a few weeks I find myself using it less and less. Honestly I wouldn't bother investing in a central heating system for how little I need it. There's only a few days a year the temperature actually drops to around 5C and that's only in the deep of night when I'm in bed anyway, and of course the indoor temp doesn't drop much.

Aircon I need a lot more. If anything I'd invest in more of that and more insulation. But a heating installation is just wasted money really.

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#898
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Someone who is "rich" in a consumable asset and therefore chooses to just consume that instead of investing in a renewable or compounding asset is colloquially known as "a dumbass."

And it's called "dutch disease". We did it with gas. Now look at Norway. We could've been like Norway.

We couldn't have been like Norway. Norway is super duper rich due to.... Oil rights elsewhere in the world.

They play the best kid in class with electrification but their funding comes directly from contributing to the problem.

And when Holland found the gas reserves in Groningen, global warming was really not known about yet.

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what will replace the wind projects?

> what will replace the wind projects?

Poverty. 1.2B less

On the other hand, the economical support of US politicians to some ideological groups in Germany is concerning. How do we know that this is not just laundering and justifying to move billions from US to the "right (far right) people" in Germany?

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#900

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I find something very refreshing in this, reading from Europe where we get told "gas" is the big bad, even threatening to make condensing gas boilers illegal from time to time [0], despite over 95% of homes (in the UK) being heated by this method. That said most of Europe doesn't heat or cool adequately, Spain and Portugal barely heat their homes in winter and boy it gets cold with 41F/5C nights. Then Germany/Switzer…

I live in northern Spain and it really doesn't get that cold. There's about a month during which I need a little plug in heater to stay above 18 degrees C. Then after a few weeks I find myself using it less and less. Honestly I wouldn't bother investing in a central heating system for how little I need it. There's only a few days a year the temperature actually drops to around 5C and that's only in the deep of night…

That's kind of my point. It's not cold - to you - because you are used to it. In Hungary or Romania since energy is (or was) cheap, due to residual/waste heat from power plants everyone heats their homes to 23-24C. Because if you have "free" energy, why not? That's what people feel comfortable at home. If you would drop a Hungarian to your 18C northern Spanish home they would be incredibly uncomfortable, but the same for an American. I'm not saying this for you to feel bad, or question your cultural heating standards - just pointing out in Europe we have an incredible energy poverty for the most part - and even Spain wasn't like this pre-Franco. People have heated their homes much more, same with coffee etc. That terrible torrefacto was not a thing before, but that's a whole another conversation. Re-reading what I wrote I don't think you will really grasp my point due to me not being to articulate it well enough and I hope I don't come across combative. Spain does a million things perfectly and I don't mean to criticize...

My point is I think somehow, to create and foster policy that focuses on the well-being of people, using a long-term plan that includes an abundance of everything, including energy. In an ideal scenario you could have your apartment at 18C if you wanted to, but since energy would be near-free and abundant, you could turn it up to whatever you want, guilt-free.

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