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Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by eru »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #306
dearsiary7 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because my boss like golf courses and even more when oracle sales rep pays.

Wait, Oracle sales reps give decision-makers personal kickbacks for buying Oracle?? Stay classy Oracle. Such a banal depth of evil. Why hasn't this been outlawed? I guess companies that knowingly employ such managers deserve to lose whatever Oracle's legal team extracts out of them.

> Wait, Oracle sales reps give decision-makers personal kickbacks for buying Oracle??

When Oracle does it, it's a scandal. But when an airline gives people personal 'miles' for their business trips, it's business as usual.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by eru »

kdheiwns wrote: post #312
TimTheTinker wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm calling my senators and house rep. Holy crap.

Not sure why you're surprised. That's just how business/networking/capitalism works everywhere on earth and it's been like that since the dawn of civilization. And why would Congress stop is since they're all getting the same benefits and don't even hide it?

Well, nothing specific to capitalism here.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by potamic »

layer8 wrote: post #104
crossroadsguy wrote: post #51

How does all this AI generated code blocking gappen? Does a human decide that or an AI is tasked with sequencing that PR's DNA to ascertain its possible inhuman origins? What if someone generates code with AI and then goes into the IDE and then bathes it, dresses it (including adding comments) etc, in a way a human would? What then? No, here I am not exploring a way to fool the code DNA checking, but rather trying to…

The FAQ addresses these questions: https://openjdk.org/legal/ai

> Other clues include highly structured comments with multiple headings, unnecessary comments in code, gratuitously defensive programming, and the use of emoji characters.... In general, if something in a pull request seems uncannily cheerful or meticulous then you could be looking at AI-generated content.

So, get rid of formatting, throw in an innocent grammatical mistake, intentionally omit an obscure corner case while alluding to an existential crisis for taking compromises and you're good to go!

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by kdheiwns »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #315
kdheiwns wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're surprised. That's just how business/networking/capitalism works everywhere on earth and it's been like that since the dawn of civilization. And why would Congress stop is since they're all getting the same benefits and don't even hide it?

I guess I thought integrity was still at least considered an ideal to strive for in the West.

That imaginary integrity never existed. If anything, favors for favors are now less common than they used to be.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

lenkite wrote: post #320
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #309

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You've clearly never purchased enterprise software at scale before. Oracle doesn't do anything that everyone else isn't already doing. Dinners, drinks, bottles of scotch, tickets to baseball and football games, plane tickets to attend training sessions in conference rooms attached to nice beachside hotels, business lunches at strip clubs, Superbowl tickets, cruise tickets, wristwatches... Not to mention mugs, tshirts…

Our company has a strict gift giving and no-bribes policy. Everyone needs to sign that they have read it. It is even more extensive for the sales/procurement teams.

Of course, I signed many such agreements. I've also turned down a ton of "gifts" such as these.

But oftentimes they are not clearly gifts or bribes. For example, inviting you or your team out for dinner and drinks can be harmless.

It's not unusual to take clients out, even to sporting events. As long as the host party is present, and there is intent to network or discuss business, it usually qualifies as "corporate hospitality" -- even the strip club!

All expensed and paid for out of the marketing budget. A far cry from gifts or bribes, apparently!

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by Alien1Being »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #310
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've clearly never purchased enterprise software at scale before. Oracle doesn't do anything that everyone else isn't already doing. Dinners, drinks, bottles of scotch, tickets to baseball and football games, plane tickets to attend training sessions in conference rooms attached to nice beachside hotels, business lunches at strip clubs, Superbowl tickets, cruise tickets, wristwatches... Not to mention mugs, tshirts…

I'm calling my senators and house rep. Holy crap.

Your naivete is refreshing, but not particularly useful.

Your senators and house reps are the beneficiary of various forms of largesse from political donors.

"Billionaire ** and her *** ** *** are among the most prolific megadonors in modern American political history, funneling hundreds of millions of dollars overwhelmingly to ***, ****"

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by walrus01 »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #296
jerf wrote: post #73

Oracle, the law firm with a tech business attached, probably wants to retain the option to sue other people for AI-washing their proprietary code, and that doesn't work if they're also publicly accepting AI contributions to their code with no apparent concern for the provenance of it. The tech business would probably tell them this isn't going to be a needle they are going to be able to successfully thread, but the l…

What I don't understand is why anyone with half a brain would even venture to touch Oracle with a ten foot pole given that they've had this reputation for at least the last 25 years. Why, people?

I have mentally trained myself to do a text substitution, whenever I see "Oracle" in a forum on the Internet, such as here, I try to substitute it with "Larry Ellison Needs A Bigger Yacht".

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by walrus01 »

smuhakg wrote: post #313
TimTheTinker wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, Oracle sales reps give decision-makers personal kickbacks for buying Oracle?? Stay classy Oracle. Such a banal depth of evil. Why hasn't this been outlawed? I guess companies that knowingly employ such managers deserve to lose whatever Oracle's legal team extracts out of them.

They've been charged multiple times for bribing foreign government officials. https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022-173 This is why corporate procurement in a large enterprise is so bureaucratic. If you have 20 layers of approval that's 20 people that need cocaine and prostitutes yet could blow the whistle.

> They've been charged multiple times for bribing foreign government officials.

Maybe they've been hiring former SNC Lavalin executives?

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by crysin »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #310
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've clearly never purchased enterprise software at scale before. Oracle doesn't do anything that everyone else isn't already doing. Dinners, drinks, bottles of scotch, tickets to baseball and football games, plane tickets to attend training sessions in conference rooms attached to nice beachside hotels, business lunches at strip clubs, Superbowl tickets, cruise tickets, wristwatches... Not to mention mugs, tshirts…

I'm calling my senators and house rep. Holy crap.

Spoiler: Your senators and house rep also take bribes!
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