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Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by hankbond »

nylonstrung wrote: post #173

Compared to the last Deepseek V4 Flash version I've had tons of issues with it getting in infinite loops and talking to itself without executing tool calls, wasting tons of tokens This is on Pi agent, nothing fancy at all about my prompts or use case. Anyone else experiencing this? I've also had it randomly go from talking about Rust to talking about the electric chair, controversies about D&D rules (both irrelevant…

using the platform.deepseek API version I haven't had this happen once in my usage (which has been exclusive since its release). Which provider are you using? I also use a pretty bare bones Pi.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by Barrin92 »

anal_reactor wrote: post #222
abixb wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

It's been true for almost every business. "Cheap and good enough" usually trumps "excellent but expensive". Ikea, McDonald's, Ryanair, AliExpress, Aldi - these brands prove that catering to poor people is more profitable than catering to rich people simply because there are so many poor people that their collective spending power outweights the one of rich people.

>Aldi - these brands prove that catering to poor people is more profitable than catering to rich people

At least here in Germany Aldi isn't even really limited to the poor, it's famously a place where you can run into anyone. Where I used to live in Berlin close to the government district I literally on occasion ran into the chancellor (and her bodyguards). Aspirational shopping where you buy premium goods to pretend to have higher social status honestly seems a bit on its way out. Even middle class people seem to consciously shop more utilitarian now.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by anon373839 »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #235
anon373839 wrote: post #223

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Yes. There is a big question mark about whether Anomaly itself (as the OpenCode Go middleman) retains data. The docs were completely silent on this the last time I checked.

According to this code ( https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/blob/dev/packages/cons... ) only Grok and Luna have 30-day retention, the rest have 0-day retention. Of their legal documents, none mention data retention for anything other than personal data. The exception is if you '/share' which explicitly gives them your session to share over the web with others.

I haven’t looked at their docs in a little while but they were very precise in saying that the providers follow a zero data retention policy. But Opencode Go proxies the requests, right? I never saw a statement in the legal docs that would limit Anomaly’s right to retain the data passing through.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by wolttam »

LeBit wrote: post #291

I always find it confusing that a meaningful volume of the comments are saying "this reached parity with SOTA models. Best $/task." And a meaningful chunk of the comments are saying "this piece of garbage isn’t even at the level of gpt-oss 20B".

Yours is the only mention of GPT-OSS in the whole thread. I count about 2-3 comments saying the model is meh and many more saying it’s a big step up.

I am among those with real life experience with the model that used the previous as well and will attest that the new model is a big improvement

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by chme »

abixb wrote: post #162
LaurensBER wrote: post #9

I've been using it extensively since the release and the best summary I can give is that it's good enough to use it for (almost) everything and cheap enough that the cost are irrelevant. I'm running it in Oh My Pi with a second instance running as "advisor" and even with 5-6 active sessions (effectively 12 streams) I'm struggling to spend more than 5 bucks per day. OpenCode Go even has double limits temporarily so fo…

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

> If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble.

Well... I would think that the whole AI industry in the US are working towards public bailouts... Which I guess they'll get under the current administration... So they'll be fine... Nobody there really seems interested in actually creating a profitable business anyway...

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

WarmWash wrote: post #216
kzrdude wrote: post #212

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Just trying to understand, https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy currently says DeepSeek V4 Flash has 0 days data retention. > DeepSeek V4 Flash: ZDR agreement is renewed monthly. The current agreement is valid through August 31, 2026. Is there other info I should be aware of w.r.t data retention with opencode go? It's hosted in China, so other middlemen may be active (I doubt it, but possible)?

If it's hosted in China, they can tell you whatever you want to hear and do whatever they want to do. What are you going to do? Take a CCP company in front of a CCP judge?

You probably could sue them if they really did store your information without your consent.

It would be a hassle, but China does have privacy laws. Companies do get sued for violating them.[0]

0. https://www.chinajusticeobserver.com/a/china%E2%80%99s-top-c...

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by WarmWash »

jacquesm wrote: post #317
WarmWash wrote: post #216

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If it's hosted in China, they can tell you whatever you want to hear and do whatever they want to do. What are you going to do? Take a CCP company in front of a CCP judge?

They can do the same thing in the US. What are you going to do, sue OpenAI or Anthropic?

Well, yes, because the courts and the AI labs are totally separate entities.

If they are doing it to you, they are probably doing it to others, which makes an easy class action

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by thenthenthen »

horsh1 wrote: post #228
abixb wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

If programming in the US to become unconditionally 10x more expensive, then the exodus from the US is about to begin.

Could we look at manufacturing, for example the car industry, to predict what will happen?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

FernandoTN wrote: post #194
abixb wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

I think you're overlooking the fact that for long-horizon tasks, even small errors compound over time and can lead to catastrophic outcomes. For simple queries, we have reached the threshold since the beginning of the year, and models are good enough from every provider to make a meaningful difference between one another. (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Grok, MuseSpark, Kimi, DeepSeek, GLM...) The real unlock will be, and…

Majority of white collar work absolutely does not require sota models

Re: DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731

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Post by ngl999 »

horsh1 wrote: post #228
abixb wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what you're saying is true and accurate, then US-based AI labs are in big trouble. The only saving grace might be some sort of a 'national security' proclamation banning the use of state-of-the-art Chinese (and non-US) models across US federal and state governments and large enterprises (especially ones with federal government contracts), but even still, US AI labs will probably lose out massively on international…

If programming in the US to become unconditionally 10x more expensive, then the exodus from the US is about to begin.

Only to to find out they end up in a much worse place
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