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U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not be shocked if another open model eventually shakes out of Facebook (based on Zuckerberg's public remarks).

Which remarks? Could you share a link?

He said something to the effect of "I love open source and open models and we'll do open models when it makes sense and closed models when it makes sense" in a recent Q&A.

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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I wonder why it took so long.

Mostly because it's generally a bad idea for government to try to compete with a brand new tech industry with hundreds of billions in private capital developing commercial models. If the American private industry does actually wash out vs Chinese open models there might be talent available for them to put money into, so maybe they are just preparing for that scenario in the meantime.

we're about witness the realization that "here's a tech that can make us a whole bunch of money" is actually "here's tech that will establish the next hegemony." american companies may compete with chinese companies on the former. only the USG can compete with the PRC on the former.

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mostly because it's generally a bad idea for government to try to compete with a brand new tech industry with hundreds of billions in private capital developing commercial models. If the American private industry does actually wash out vs Chinese open models there might be talent available for them to put money into, so maybe they are just preparing for that scenario in the meantime.

The American attitude is generally to let private companies build up a new industry so it can create jobs and pay taxes. However, in the LLM race, the Chinese open weight playbook pretty much killed that. China has basically commoditized LLMs. Chinese models are good enough, so the race has come down to who can offer the cheapest tokens.

> China has basically commoditized LLMs

What do you mean by "basically"?

Why are Anthropic's and OpenAI's annualized revenue about $50B each?

LLMs need massive amounts of compute to compete, so I wouldn't claim that the great (and leading, and likely to continue to lead) LLMs are commodities end-to-end, even if the non-executing-at-scale LLMs files and IP are commoditized. The execute, the compute, that is what breathes life into the model, which is otherwise weak or dead.

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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post #49

Does Europe have an equivalent program?

As part of a much larger series of initiatives towards digital sovereignty, yes. [0] [0] https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/strengtheni...

Oh. Being buried in hierarchy does not inspire hope.

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I've had an extremely bad experience working with Department of Energy affiliated programmers in AI. By my invitation, they are part of our workflow and act as humans in the loop, but they have extremely bad habits of gaslighting and accusing people of schizophrenia rather than getting work done.

Here's an example[1] of the difference between what a U.S. Department of Energy employee adds to a ticket versus a private industry AI completing instructions as assigned.

This isn't some cherry-picked example, it's just what I happen to be dealing with right at this moment, happened just a couple of moments ago.

[1] https://ibb.co/vCg2G1Dn

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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I've had an extremely bad experience working with Department of Energy affiliated programmers in AI. By my invitation, they are part of our workflow and act as humans in the loop, but they have extremely bad habits of gaslighting and accusing people of schizophrenia rather than getting work done. Here's an example[1] of the difference between what a U.S. Department of Energy employee adds to a ticket versus a private…

Can you explain the screenshot a little more? It just looks like you’re comparing the output of a chatbot and Claude Code about a log file. If it’s a metaphor, it went over my head, sorry!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American attitude is generally to let private companies build up a new industry so it can create jobs and pay taxes. However, in the LLM race, the Chinese open weight playbook pretty much killed that. China has basically commoditized LLMs. Chinese models are good enough, so the race has come down to who can offer the cheapest tokens.

> China has basically commoditized LLMs What do you mean by "basically"? Why are Anthropic's and OpenAI's annualized revenue about $50B each? LLMs need massive amounts of compute to compete, so I wouldn't claim that the great (and leading, and likely to continue to lead) LLMs are commodities end-to-end , even if the non-executing-at-scale LLMs files and IP are commoditized. The execute, the compute, that is what brea…

OpenAI's annual profit is $0,000,000,000,000

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As part of a much larger series of initiatives towards digital sovereignty, yes. [0] [0] https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/strengtheni...

Oh. Being buried in hierarchy does not inspire hope.

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