Live data from Hacker News

U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

genesisopenmodels.anl.gov

31–40 of 161 posts

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

#31
post #6

“Gomi” is the Japanese word for garbage. Gotta wonder if someone has a sense of humor…

The Australian Liberal Party (basically our version of conservative republicans) proposed the National Energy Guarantee policy in 2017, which inevitably failed due to the media and public’s relative literacy and tendency to turn policy names into acronyms.

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

#34

I wonder why it took so long.

Mostly because it's generally a bad idea for government to try to compete with a brand new tech industry with hundreds of billions in private capital developing commercial models. If the American private industry does actually wash out vs Chinese open models there might be talent available for them to put money into, so maybe they are just preparing for that scenario in the meantime.

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

#35
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a bunch of American open models. Inkling, Nemotron, Trinity come to mind, but I'm sure there's others.

Laguna S 2.1 is really great too, in the "preview" release they've done so far at least. Still pending some reasoning-looping, but besides that, it's a really strong model to run within 96GB VRAM with the NVFP4 variants, and it's really good at coding (specifically).

Yeah I think it got bad press because the chat templates (or something?) were messed up on first release, but I've been using a quant of it and it's a powerhouse, better than qwen 3.6 27b for local on a 3090, which is saying a lot.

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

#37
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a bunch of American open models. Inkling, Nemotron, Trinity come to mind, but I'm sure there's others.

Laguna S 2.1 is really great too, in the "preview" release they've done so far at least. Still pending some reasoning-looping, but besides that, it's a really strong model to run within 96GB VRAM with the NVFP4 variants, and it's really good at coding (specifically).

No it doesn't follow instructions and is substantially slower than ds4.

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

#40
post #34

I wonder why it took so long.

Mostly because it's generally a bad idea for government to try to compete with a brand new tech industry with hundreds of billions in private capital developing commercial models. If the American private industry does actually wash out vs Chinese open models there might be talent available for them to put money into, so maybe they are just preparing for that scenario in the meantime.

The American attitude is generally to let private companies build up a new industry so it can create jobs and pay taxes. However, in the LLM race, the Chinese open weight playbook pretty much killed that. China has basically commoditized LLMs. Chinese models are good enough, so the race has come down to who can offer the cheapest tokens.
Post reply on HN