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Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by wavewrangler »

shevy-java wrote: post #199
philipov wrote: post #178

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It doesn't matter if the lawnmower is chopping off feat intentionally or not. If it's presenting a public hazard, it should be stopped. Even though the ocean couldn't care less it doesn't prevent us from building breakwalls. And Larry Ellison isn't unstoppable as the ocean.

This seems to make Larry more harmless. A lawnmower does not think. Larry thinks, so it seems to white-wash Larry here. It's more like that movie with Stephen King where the cars and other machines turn actively evil. Hilarious movie too, not great but hilarious.

Maximum Overdrive. Even the electric turkey carver gets revenge.

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Post by loeg »

burnte wrote: post #204
aaronharnly wrote: post #180

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The original was not even about Oracle the corporation, it was about understanding the psychology of Larry Ellison specifically.

But I wasn't replying to the original, I was replying to another comment.

You replied to a quote about Larry Ellison personally with an unrelated remark about Oracle the corporation.

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Post by CursedSilicon »

hunterpayne wrote: post #257
CursedSilicon wrote: post #250

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Ah, yes. The media. Famously the voice of the proletariat and the oppressed Walter Lippmann is spinning in his grave

For reference, Walter Lippmann is the guy from the NYT who covered up the Holodomor in Ukraine (1930s) in the west as well as Stalin's gulags and purges. I wouldn't call him the voice of the proletariat in any way. He was the voice of the Stalinist in the west and the term tankie was invented for him and people like him.

That's a strange take. But okay

He also wrote the book "Public Opinion" in 1922 [1] which explained how the US mass media apparatus could be used to influence the common man.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Opinion_(book)

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by dd8601fn »

shevy-java wrote: post #198
jerf wrote: post #73

Oracle, the law firm with a tech business attached, probably wants to retain the option to sue other people for AI-washing their proprietary code, and that doesn't work if they're also publicly accepting AI contributions to their code with no apparent concern for the provenance of it. The tech business would probably tell them this isn't going to be a needle they are going to be able to successfully thread, but the l…

Makes sense, but they take an anti-AI stand, which I find good no matter for which reason they do that.

Oracle is so far into AI that if OpenAI doesn’t absolutely explode with revenue, fast, Oracle is in a world of shit like they’ve never seen.

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Post by skinfaxi »

jauco wrote: post #207
skinfaxi wrote: post #188

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Who does this metaphor serve? To me it seems to try to legitimize the actions as a force of nature.

It serves you. The lawnmower exists, you might disagree, but it’s not your lawnmower, you can’t uncreate it. But you can and should take care never to put your hand near it.

Weird, we don't absolve murderers of guilt by saying they are an lawnmower.

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Post by skinfaxi »

quietsegfault wrote: post #208
skinfaxi wrote: post #188

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Who does this metaphor serve? To me it seems to try to legitimize the actions as a force of nature.

It’s nonsensical to define the actions of nature as legitimate or illegitimate.

What I meant was that there is no moralizing of natural force, which this metaphor tries to equivocate. Oh, it's just like the wind, don't get in Larry's way!

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Post by skinfaxi »

malux85 wrote: post #222
skinfaxi wrote: post #188

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Who does this metaphor serve? To me it seems to try to legitimize the actions as a force of nature.

The lawn mower is operating within the laws that constraints it (laws of physics in this case) and not a greater sense of morality. Lessons: - The only way to constrain what the lawnmower does, is make sure what do desire is enforced by law (physics) - A reminder, the lawnmower will chop your hand off and think nothing of it - The lawnmower is not "evil" but if the laws that constrain it allow for evil behavior, it m…

Law does not constrain at all. Law only operates after the fact.

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Post by adl »

ActorNightly wrote: post #138
mcdow wrote: post #48

y’all seem to be missing the fact that Java is a mature product. it has left the “move fast and break things” era of it’s development. code is a liability, and they likely have more to lose than gain by allowing AI contribution.

Oracle Java is also basically effectively in KTLO mode. The biggest use of Java currently is Android, and Google is on a path to migrate to Fuchsia eventually. The second biggest use is Apache Spark/Kafka, but with LLMs now, you can pretty much re implement all of that functionality in pure C. They just want a legal angle, since this is how they make most of their money.

Impressive. Every word in that paragraph was wrong. well, except the last line.

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Post by breezybottom »

philipallstar wrote: post #185
cyanydeez wrote: post #126

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more and more it seems like he's referring to billionaires more or less.

That's because you've had years of consuming media that blames everything on billionaires.

Billionaires own the media. Why would they blame themselves?

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Post by skinfaxi »

pbjerkeseth wrote: post #209
skinfaxi wrote: post #188

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Who does this metaphor serve? To me it seems to try to legitimize the actions as a force of nature.

I read it as a pretty obvious jab at him being inhuman.

That's exactly my point. Labelling him as inhuman gives him a pass, like how we don't criticize hurricanes as malevolent.
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