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I feel the platforms just arent able to handle serious problems at these scales. Unlike banks, telcos, power grid operating at similar scales, the regulations literally took hundreds of years to develop after all kinds of fiascos. Its a lesson in scaling is not magic. Problems will scale too.
Then break them up or shut them down. They can't just continue to knowingly and intentionally induce addiction and engagement for profit and then shrug their shoulders and say "we're too big, it's too hard to stop."
New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health
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Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health
#282I have known a few folks with relatives in New Mexico that have had mental heath issues, and it was a nightmare for them. They were brought to New York, where they finally got decent treatment.
I am told (by New Mexicans), that this is because New Mexico voters don't want any healthcare going to immigrants.
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#283A lot of people on this story are making the usual snarky remarks that, oh, this is just a slap on the wrist—some trivial proportion of Meta’s global revenue. And that is true, but unlike the EU, for example, New Mexico is a tiny jurisdiction. It only has a little bit more than 2 million people. So actually, a fine—or a judgment—of $942 million that applies just to New Mexico is enormous. If you look at Meta’s revenu…
I feel the platforms just arent able to handle serious problems at these scales. Unlike banks, telcos, power grid operating at similar scales, the regulations literally took hundreds of years to develop after all kinds of fiascos. Its a lesson in scaling is not magic. Problems will scale too.
Meta allegedly has 3.6B daily active users across their products; something like 1 in 2 people globally is a daily user of one of their services.
Meta is also in the business of interpersonal relationships, which is a nightmare. Banks, telcos, etc mostly deal in simple things that are complicated by doing it at enormous scale.
Interpersonal relationships are complicated even at small scales, and at large scales it’s virtually impossible to predict what behaviors will emerge. They took a complicated thing and scaled it into a globally ubiquitous process, and just gave up on doing it well at some point (because they can’t, and I don’t think anyone can).
Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
This analysis actually understates how massive and outsized the penalties are. The court ruling only applies to children in New Mexico under age 18. New Mexico has ~450,000 people under age 18, of which roughly 140,000 are between ages 13-17 (Meta officially requires age 13+ to use their platforms). Recent Pew surveys of U.S. teens ages 13–17 show ~70% of teenagers use Instagram and ~30% use Facebook. In New Mexico,…
> Which creates some bizarre incentives, minors get rewarded for signing up for the platforms that are harming them in the first place. how is this bad? that's a great incentive for the platforms to not signup minors anymore.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah they use snapchat and TikTok, with a sprinkle of instagram. The problem with these are: they offer two features 1) a social feature. You can send DM:s or comment your friends picture of an ice cream 2) Brain-rot algorithmic short-form video feeds where even the most aware adult can easily get lost for hours. I think this is calculated. If the social vs feed thing were two different apps, parents could easily jus…
If someone can create an extension or some other way to block shorts from youtube, reels from instagram I can imagine people would even pay for it
I hope that these fines and the rules on "algorithmic content" will perhaps make this possible to control at the iOS family settings level.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Socialising. Same benefit I drew from playing video games with my friends when I was in school. (Though, to be a bit pedantic about it, kids don't use Facebook.)
I did my socializing in real life but I guess that if kids are not allowed to get out anymore, they must do it with screens.
Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health
#287Per the court ruling [0], the specific law that Meta violated was New Mexico’s public-nuisance law, NMSA 1978 § 30-8-1. The relevant section that was violated is [1]: A public nuisance consists of knowingly creating, performing or maintaining anything affecting any number of citizens without lawful authority which is either: - A. injurious to public health, safety, morals or welfare; or - B. interferes with the exerc…
The "without lawful authority" condition will result in this being vacated upon appeal. Meta isn't a public nuisance any more than Philip Morris. Both are regulated already, both produce addictive products, both are optional.
“Lawful” in a legal context means “in accordance with the law”. You are immune to this law if you are operating under authority granted by law. It would be generally understood that the intent is to immunize police officers, ambulances with sirens, highway construction, etc. People granted specific authority over something by law.
Meta has very little lawful authority, and the little they have would only apply to their own property. Even that is severely curtailed relative to private citizens, there are a _ton_ of things you can do as a citizen that you can’t as a business (eg I can refuse to allow Rastafarians into my house if I want, a business cannot).
Phillip Morris is fundamentally different as a product because it lacks network effects. I can start smoking, quit smoking, change brands, nothing outside of me really changes.
Facebook doesn’t have that. I can’t go down the street and switch to Twitter without either convincing everyone else to switch or giving up on them. My mom plans parties as Facebook events. She won’t switch. Ergo I am forced to use Facebook to participate in family events. Phillip Morris lacks that. Family events aren’t suddenly invisible because I smoke Djarums now (although they might avoid me before I start ranting about “the man”).
That’s why Facebook is a nuisance in a way Phillip Morris isn’t. Facebook isn’t nearly as optional for many people, they get roped in by circumstances largely outside their control.
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree about being outsiders. Social media (if this is even a well-defined term) is just how people communicate these days. No need for hysteria and banning (I was on Slashdot in the 90s. Was that not social media?). I think it’s as ignorant to want to ban kids from social media today as it was ignorant to want to ban my generation from video games 30 years ago. The kids at the time thought the adults were clueless…
All popular social media platforms today (snapchat, instagram, facebook) have endless streams of unfiltered short-form media which is designed to addict. I think few people are actually criticizing online communication for kids (though there are concerns about what communities and people they may interact with). The major problem is addicting media which promotes asocial behavior and sucks away the joy and creativity…
And anyway iPhones provide controls for parents to limit screen time.
Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
This analysis actually understates how massive and outsized the penalties are. The court ruling only applies to children in New Mexico under age 18. New Mexico has ~450,000 people under age 18, of which roughly 140,000 are between ages 13-17 (Meta officially requires age 13+ to use their platforms). Recent Pew surveys of U.S. teens ages 13–17 show ~70% of teenagers use Instagram and ~30% use Facebook. In New Mexico,…
> Which creates some bizarre incentives, minors get rewarded for signing up for the platforms that are harming them in the first place. how is this bad? that's a great incentive for the platforms to not signup minors anymore.
Re: New Mexico court orders Meta to pay $567m over harms to children’s mental health
#290A lot of people on this story are making the usual snarky remarks that, oh, this is just a slap on the wrist—some trivial proportion of Meta’s global revenue. And that is true, but unlike the EU, for example, New Mexico is a tiny jurisdiction. It only has a little bit more than 2 million people. So actually, a fine—or a judgment—of $942 million that applies just to New Mexico is enormous. If you look at Meta’s revenu…
Do you think that now that one state has won this judgement (for now) other states could follow?