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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Post by bluGill »

janalsncm wrote: post #375
jfengel wrote: post #142

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No, we're not expecting someone else to stop it. We voted for this. The evil is not imposed on us. It is us. Not everyone, but a majority. The minority is looking for ways to stop it, but it requires getting literally everyone else to work together. Which means any disagreement among them results in a loss, and more of the same evil.

Roughly 1/3 voted for the winner, 1/3 for the loser, and the rest didn’t vote. A majority did not choose this.

You don't really have a choice here. As a "conservative" (what ever that means...) I got two different evils that I couldn't stand. I voted third party, but even that party wasn't very close to what I really believe.

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Post by cloudie78 »

tmtvl wrote: post #147
cloudie78 wrote: post #77

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So what you're saying is instead of spending 1.2B to stop a firm from building wind, the government should leave the firm be so they can keep building wind and invest the 1.2B into building a nuclear power plant which will come online when the German firm has built roughly 1,000x the same capacity in wind turbines.

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Post by swat535 »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #304
Timon3 wrote: post #282

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Even if the Republican party loses this time, what makes you think they won't find someone even worse than Trump next time? That seems to be the pattern over the last decades. I don't see myself ever being able to trust the US again. Maybe if they manage 2-3 decades without conservative idiocy, but the Epstein class would never allow that.

Trump is either going to break the US, or the Republican party. Either way, we're in for a long period of one party rule and chaos.

Which I don’t think it’s healthy either. Any ruling party can become corrupt especially on a longer scale. So the question is what happens if you have another madman in charge?

I think the bigger issue is a two party system. The checks and balances can clearly be gamed as this administration has proven.

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Post by ceejayoz »

windyoil wrote: post #475
ceejayoz wrote: post #369

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> The US still lacks a lot of the specialized vessels, ports and manufacturing capacity. Maybe we should put the $1.2B into that sort of thing, then?

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> one would have to be careful that it does not end up lost in corruption

I think that ship, as it were, has sailed.

> The concerns about radar and wind turbines do not seem fake when private sector military companies try to offer solutions for it.

Contractors - especially military ones! - love to sell solutions to fake problems (or fake solutions to real problems) if they can get away with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651

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Post by 1dontknow_ »

zmmmmm wrote: post #310

I read up recently on the history of the fall of the roman empire and it was fascinating how eerily similar it was to the current state of the US. Overwhelmed by corruption and wars they make stupider and stupider decisions on ever larger scales, ever more frequently. And the population grows ever more cynical, eventually opting for authoritarianism before eventually the center can't hold any more and it all collapse…

I like these comparison with Roman Empire but it seems too simplsitic and Ive learned that usually means "its not so right actually".

Meaning for example, what about empires that actually survived or adapted? What did they do that we know exactly didnt the Roman Empire do that saved them? How does zeitgeist impact this in the sense that what ruined Roman Empire might save a nation today?

Not trying to be negative, Im jsut geniunley curios because then if I was in government, Id be "yeah I see the same. I mscared as fuck were messing it up, but then what should we do?" because you see, everybody is giving at advice with very diverse and extreme ideas on what should happen. Probably with most of them you and I wouldnt be OK with (do Dictatorships work? ...).

Or simpler, we all agree on the problem. What are all the solutions and how do we know theyre the correct ones? Thats what Im thinking about the last years.

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Post by DangitBobby »

micw wrote: post #270

I wonder how Americans feel to see that their elected president takes tax money to forcefully destroy the planet and our kid's future :-(

This one hurts. Lots of bad news flying around here but this one hit a bit different.

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Post by perpetuallunch »

smolder wrote: post #286
i5heu wrote: post #101

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"common sense" is common sense because it is not "specialised sense" or "expert sense" So if politicians base their decisions on "common sense", they confess to not being able to use experts that refine their knowledge and position about a topic. A "common sense" strategy is therefore what is most popular and on the basis of the understanding of laymen without deeper understanding or knowledge.

"Common sense" might also mean "do the simple thing" which, given how cheap it is to invest in renewable energy sources like solar farms, and how much room we have to build daytime capacity that way without large scale storage, might mean installing a lot more solar. Don't pretend the current US admin is anything but corrupt and stupid.

Day time.

And what of the night?

Freeze in the dark.

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Post by Toutouxc »

friendzis wrote: post #423
swiftcoder wrote: post #280

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> Even in Texas/California photovoltaic output in the winter is measly, anywhere more to the north and it's effectively inexistent. The northernmost point in Texas would be at the extreme southern edge of Europe. The northernmost point of California is level with the sunny French Riviera. Hell, even frozen Minnesota has about the same solar potential as northern Spain... If Europe can make solar work, so can the stat…

> If Europe can make solar work Can you cite a region in Europe that physically independently covers its energy needs with solar+storage alone ? Stress on physical. Even if some regions claim renewables fully covering energy needs, that's at best on accounting level, those regions are still fully dependent on power import/export and simply could not function in an island mode for any extended period of time without a…

In my corner of Europe, I have vacationed in a house that’s completely off-grid with solar and a bit over 20 kWh of storage (it does use about half a ton of wood pellets for heating during the coldest months of winter). Link in Czech: https://www.csdum.cz/jak-jsme-postavili-cesky-sobestacny-dum...

I wonder how it would fare with just 100 kWh of storage, something you can still easily put together.

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Post by [deleted] »

cobbaut wrote: post #273
energy123 wrote: post #127

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You can look at current levels, or look at trends. China has stopped increasing coal. They're building a small number of new coal plants, but this is outstripped by the coal plants being underutilized or decommissioned China is really only building new renewables, almost 100x as much net renewable capacity per year compared to nuclear.

Plus they are building coal plants as backups for when other sources fail.

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