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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Post by latch »

i5heu wrote: post #101
jeltz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All kinds of power generation are typically heavily subdized in some way. I do not think this "common sense" strategy exists.

"common sense" is common sense because it is not "specialised sense" or "expert sense" So if politicians base their decisions on "common sense", they confess to not being able to use experts that refine their knowledge and position about a topic. A "common sense" strategy is therefore what is most popular and on the basis of the understanding of laymen without deeper understanding or knowledge.

"common sense" is common sense because it is the "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts" (1).

Maybe what you meant to say is that the position isn't, in fact, "common sense", that it is neither sound or prudent?

(1) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/common%20sense

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Post by jfengel »

bsenftner wrote: post #63

The USA is governed by evil people, and the people of the nation are too stupid and expecting someone else to stop them. Plain as day light.

No, we're not expecting someone else to stop it. We voted for this. The evil is not imposed on us. It is us.

Not everyone, but a majority. The minority is looking for ways to stop it, but it requires getting literally everyone else to work together. Which means any disagreement among them results in a loss, and more of the same evil.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

jacknews wrote: post #94
londons_explore wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These guys had already signed a deal to build - giving them permission and probably an agreed price - the money was to persuade them to give that up.

Trump literally just paid money (taxpayer money) for nothing

I don’t understand what pot of money this is coming out of. Has Congress authorized taxpayer money be used for paying energy companies to halt projects?

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Post by StilesCrisis »

i5heu wrote: post #101
jeltz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All kinds of power generation are typically heavily subdized in some way. I do not think this "common sense" strategy exists.

"common sense" is common sense because it is not "specialised sense" or "expert sense" So if politicians base their decisions on "common sense", they confess to not being able to use experts that refine their knowledge and position about a topic. A "common sense" strategy is therefore what is most popular and on the basis of the understanding of laymen without deeper understanding or knowledge.

In politics, "common sense" just means that they don't have a real justification. You can just apply it to anything and your base will accept it.

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Post by jtbayly »

PowerElectronix wrote: post #136
jeltz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All kinds of power generation are typically heavily subdized in some way. I do not think this "common sense" strategy exists.

There are too many interested parties involved in the energy sector. The only common sense I can think of is solar+storage at the single building level and interconnected through smart grids with neighbours. But that leaves out the government and all those interested parties so we're never ever getting that.

And in the winter in the North people are just supposed to freeze?

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Post by tmtvl »

cloudie78 wrote: post #77

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So what you're saying is instead of spending 1.2B to stop a firm from building wind, the government should leave the firm be so they can keep building wind and invest the 1.2B into building a nuclear power plant which will come online when the German firm has built roughly 1,000x the same capacity in wind turbines.

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Post by firesteelrain »

brookst wrote: post #125
firesteelrain wrote: post #90

US has absurdly large domestic energy resources like gas reserves, coal reserves, uranium, and thermal energy infrastructure. Then, there is the supply chain argument: the specialized turbines, components, vessels and manufacturing chains are manufactured overseas and imported to support Wind. RWE is itself German. It’s good to reduce dependence on foreign supply chains. Fishing and maritime was also cited as a conce…

> It’s good to reduce dependence on foreign supply chains. Huh? That’s quite a whopper to drop as if it’s an obvious truth. It’s good to diversify supply chains. Eggs-in-one-basket is bad for many reasons, even if it’s your own domestic basket. Trade interdependence is good for competition, reduces risks from disasters, and creates disincentives for war. And the market apparently thinks offshore wind is a good invest…

See

1. https://www.energy.gov/cmei/systems/securing-us-supply-chain...

2. https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy23osti/84710.pdf

3. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-26-107769

4. https://www.energy.gov/cmei/wind/articles/report-outlines-su...

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