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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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Post by DangitBobby »

CivBase wrote: post #438
squidbeak wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the USA's defence, the system that put these gangsters in charge also gives it a shot at changing course in a couple of years.

Trump 1 was so bad, people showed up in droves to vote for anything else. That's how we ended up with a dimensia president. Biden was so bad, people showed up in droves to vote for anything else. That's how we ended up in a war with Iran. Trump 2 is so bad, people will show up in droves to vote for anything else. The downward spiral continues.

Yeah Biden was soooo bad... Give me a fucking break. Americans are just as dumb as everyone says we are, that's how we got Trump 2.

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Post by runarberg »

DangitBobby wrote: post #452
runarberg wrote: post #437

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I never claimed lead does not cause damage, it does. I dispute it is the primary fault in bad politics, and I offered an alternative theory.

It's probably more than one thing but it would be shocking if the lead had no impact.

Seeing how much influence money has, I think that impact is negligible.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

runarberg wrote: post #437
graceful6800 wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's spelled lead, and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to cause brain damage. There is no safe level of lead exposure, it causes neurological damage at any level of exposure and it stays in your body permanently. You're wrong on every count and simply spreading disinformation. Please don't do that.

I never claimed lead does not cause damage, it does. I dispute it is the primary fault in bad politics, and I offered an alternative theory.

I think we all understood the comment implied it’s been a factor, not THE driver. I’d be a little more generous in your interpretation of their comment, even if it is a bit flippant.

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Post by windyoil »

ceejayoz wrote: post #369
firesteelrain wrote: post #345

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For onshore wind, probably wind. For offshore wind, not nearly as clear. The US still lacks a lot of the specialized vessels, ports and manufacturing capacity. Solar has bigger upstream dependence on Asian wafer/cell production.

> The US still lacks a lot of the specialized vessels, ports and manufacturing capacity. Maybe we should put the $1.2B into that sort of thing, then?

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Post by thaumaturgy »

whack wrote: post #370
zmmmmm wrote: post #310

I read up recently on the history of the fall of the roman empire and it was fascinating how eerily similar it was to the current state of the US. Overwhelmed by corruption and wars they make stupider and stupider decisions on ever larger scales, ever more frequently. And the population grows ever more cynical, eventually opting for authoritarianism before eventually the center can't hold any more and it all collapse…

Never attribute to stupidity what can be attributed to self-interest. It sure looks stupid when you look at America or the Roman Empire as a whole. But when you look at the specific individuals doing these "stupid" things, and the individuals enabling them, it is perfectly aligned with their own best interests.

It's almost as if acting solely in one's own self-interest is stupid.

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Post by perpetuallunch »

esskay wrote: post #420
gyanchawdhary wrote: post #395

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What "world order" is this? One where cheap energy generation is seen as a good thing? Bizarre that anyone would be against a private company building solar or wind farms in this day and age. For a guy in the ai and cybersecurity industry you seem to have incredibly poor judgement Gyan.

Provide one example where solar and / or wind generation have penetrated a market to a level worth mentioning and electricity prices have come down or remained stable adjusted for inflation.

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Post by epolanski »

estearum wrote: post #377
epolanski wrote: post #357

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But US seems to be doing a bit of everything no? But of course it doesn't have the same incentives of China.

You are commenting on an article in which the US is deciding (and paying immense costs) in order not to do everything. The current administration is actively trying to squash several proven-valuable ways of converting non-renewable resources into renewable ones.

the current administration is the key word.

In any case, you can't expect stable policies in a country with a winner-takes-all democracy.

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Post by rsynnott »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #290
whazor wrote: post #119

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I think wind farms on sea look really cool, especially if the turbines are huge. It gives some majestic feelings

I'm not a huge fan of their aesthetic in its own right, but it beats the aesthetic of fossil fuel infrastructure any day in my view.

Ah, sometimes it can look quite nice, or at least striking. Though usually after end of life. The Tate Modern in London is an old power station, and a disused oil power plant in Dublin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poolbeg_Generating_Station#Poo...) has become sufficiently iconic that its operator was refused permission to demolish its chimneys; they're now protected structures.

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Post by glaslong »

flyingjoe wrote: post #332
ebri wrote: post #260

I wish I had not read this. I am not kidding when I say this is ruining my day thinking about. One thing is they ruin our times. But they are in the game of ruining the rest of time for humankind, too.

More and more it seems like we're trying to do a speed run of killing our planet (or rather a planet worth living on).

Yes as everyone loves to retort, the planet will survive! We might not, the current ecosystem wont, no one and nothing we love or care about or cherish is likely to.

But a very lovely species of bug may at some point look down and marvel at the beautiful new world they've conquered. And I guess we've collectively decided we're happy to give them that.

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