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US strikes $1.2B deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects

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I'm not a huge fan of their aesthetic in its own right, but it beats the aesthetic of fossil fuel infrastructure any day in my view.

I like wind farms, but I think it's fair to observe that they're often built in nice places, whereas fossil fuel infrastructure is built in places you'd never go to voluntarily.

Lots of fossil fuel infrastructure was built in formerly nice places that now you'd never go to voluntarily...

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I wish I had not read this. I am not kidding when I say this is ruining my day thinking about. One thing is they ruin our times. But they are in the game of ruining the rest of time for humankind, too.

More and more it seems like we're trying to do a speed run of killing our planet (or rather a planet worth living on).

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How much wind power can we extract before we disrupt the global wind circulation and thus the climate regulation by winds? Is no one worried about this?

It's occasionally mentioned, but the answer appears to be "roughly 1000x current global electricity production", so we don't worry about it too much. Energy is much higher than electricity, of course, but we're not planning on replacing all energy [or all electricity] with just wind.

We'll hit other constraints long before that happens.

There may be some local effects. I think the main one is one cluster of wind turbines effecting the output of nearby clusters (and effects within a cluster). Pretty sure they account for this when engineering wind farms, with the effects actively being studied.

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What's insane is that one person will cite something this in one place, but the rest of the people in the thread say "why aren't we building wind and solar????" We are building lots. Of everything.

But... you're commenting on an article in which we are stopping the "we are building" part?

Who is "we" here?

This is about one company bending the knee, not an entire industry or population.

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What's more mental you talk to any Germans about deprecating their Nuclear power stations they will bang on about their plan for renewables and then you read these sorts of headlines. What the hell is happening over there? Why can't they get 'energy' despite being a scientifically literate nation. France has a far superior energy policy so it's not like you even have to travel beyond a few miles to see a wildly diffe…

There is no french or german electricity price. Its a common market. Price difference is only different taxation

There are indeed bidding zones in Europe. France is one bidding zone and Germany and Luxembourg is another one. Market prices are indeed pretty comparable.

Taxation and cost for the net are very different with a higher price for the connection in France and a higher price per kWh in Germany. In the end for a normal use of electricity the prices are very comparable.

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So in short a company was servicing power demand in a low pollution way. Then American government gave them money so they can instead service the same demand while causing more pollution. Just... Why? To protect a few hundred jobs in America? They could have just given a small portion of that money to these workers and they would stop complaining about job loss. 1.2 Billion is a big number.

Because Trump hates wind power for "ruining the view". That's it. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uyLiON_f5c0 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetl...

I think I don't want to believe this. I believe it in my brain but not in my heart. This kind of power just cannot be in such irresponsible hands. It makes me wanna scream.

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> Parts of the world are literally on fire but the US is redirecting money to halt renewables and towards gas. Parts of the US are literally on fire. * https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/usfs/map/#d:24hrs;@-100... * https://wfca.com/fire-map * https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/maps

The issue will be "out of sight, out of mind" (or rather knowingly ignored) until the issue appears at scales as small as the home village, which in terms of the US government means the front and back yard of the white house or similar. These people are living in parallel societies, where they are completely detached from the reality for many people living in the country. And that is not merely a problem in the US.

> The issue will be "out of sight, out of mind" [...]

... while an offshore wind farm was once in DT's sight in Scotland.

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