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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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You say that they pass the Turing test yet every post on HN complains about the way LLMs write so clearly they haven’t passed it yet because we can still tell it’s a bot.

You can also change the writing style with a prompt quit easily, if the same person would publish millions of articles, we would also recognize them.

The Turing Test is about being able to figure out if “someone” is a computer during a short conversation, not “millions of articles”.

LLMs still live in the uncanny valley and can be sussed out immediately.

For example, I’m extremely annoyed by the fact that offshore developers respond to me almost exclusively using text generated by Claude. You can tell immediately because they use overly descriptive techno word salad that no normal human uses unless they are trying to be ultra specific for a scientific paper - and even then it’s still too much for a real person.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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You can also change the writing style with a prompt quit easily, if the same person would publish millions of articles, we would also recognize them.

I don't understand. do you think that people can't figure it out if they speak with llms or not from a few turns?

We don't train current LLMs to mimic the average human's writing style. We train it to be smart, helpful, and knowledgable, too knowledgeable for a human. We can easily train a LLM to pass the Turing test if we wanted to, but then it would just sound dumb or biased.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#203

I dont get why they'd make this available to free users when they're probably dealing with compute constraints considering their competition with the Chinese models. Giving a more capable model to a huge free user base looks like an expensive choice to me

The same reason Google Search is free.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#204

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I don't understand. do you think that people can't figure it out if they speak with llms or not from a few turns?

We don't train current LLMs to mimic the average human's writing style. We train it to be smart, helpful, and knowledgable, too knowledgeable for a human. We can easily train a LLM to pass the Turing test if we wanted to, but then it would just sound dumb or biased.

> but it would just sound dumb or biased

We have one of those: Grok.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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How many can tell the difference?

There's a super obvious tell, 5.5 instant loves emojis.

Those are just the default settings. Here, you can force it not to use emojis and to be much less verbose: https://chatgpt.com/?no_universal_links=1#settings/Personali...

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#206
post #57

Its always fun to try to read between the lines here to speculate why they are doing this. Maybe Luna efficiency gain was actually significant enough that putting all the free users and giving them super generous limits makes sense. They might be doing this to improve the messaging of AI among causal users since right now there is a huge amount of datacenter backlash in the US due to AI grievances. Maybe they have to…

Let’s speculate: they want luna to be their first model “on silicon” and need as much test data as possible before finalizing the design.

This. It makes sense to develop a quick turnaround silicon process, and it makes sense to do it with the smallest possible "AGI" model which can be served for years in the long tail.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#207
> Because this version of GPT‑5.6 Sol is optimized for everyday chats, it will only be available in the Chat experience in ChatGPT. The version of GPT‑5.6 Sol that powers Work and Codex is not changing as part of this release.

So same name, and no indication of which "version" you're using except whether you're in "Chat" or "Work"? Why make it so confusing?

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#208
post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

It doesn't fit their own definition of AGI, although it's inevitably vague [0]: >artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work [0] https://openai.com/charter/

I think that's the crux. As soon as something turns into a commodity, it will be priced as a commodity. It stops being economically valuable and can only be economically viable at scale.

Take mathematical calculations, styrofoam, LCD screens, ice cubes, embroidery (try searching for "computer work blouses"!), texts, navigation. The thing itself costs nothing, the service and theater around it becomes everything.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#209
post #7

I think it’s a misread to think the default ChatGPT model switching to GPT 5.6 Luna is some sort of desperation move. Keep in mind that Claude .ai never had this extreme stratification between the frontier models and the free tier (Sonnet is available to free users with rate limits). So 5.6 Luna is just their next version of what they used to call 5.5 instant tier And 5.x instant models were never much to write home…

Honestly, given the price 5.6 Luna is pretty fantastic. I replaced GPT 4.1 mini in several projects.

It's also 50% cheaper if you only need it to run sometime in the next 24 hours.

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