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Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Post by d4ng »

WA wrote: post #376
somenameforme wrote: post #361

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I'd bring the cheapo French press kit it into the A- domain once you appreciate the number one trick to making good coffee: DON'T BOIL THE WATER. Water that is hot, but well below boiling brings out the flavor of the beans a million times more than boiling water. Get a glass kettle, and turn it off when you start to get some decent bubble action on the bottom. Once you get that down, zomg - a French press with even t…

Starbucks uses espresso machines that cost 4-5 figures. They have automatic thermal control. They never boil the water. While I agree with your overall sentiment, claiming that Starbucks makes coffee too hot and thus tastes bad is nonsense.

So why does Starbucks coffee still consistently taste like shit?

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

d4ng wrote: post #411
WA wrote: post #376

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Starbucks uses espresso machines that cost 4-5 figures. They have automatic thermal control. They never boil the water. While I agree with your overall sentiment, claiming that Starbucks makes coffee too hot and thus tastes bad is nonsense.

So why does Starbucks coffee still consistently taste like shit?

So you buy their sugary crap to hide the shit coffee.

Pumpkin spice lattes.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Post by OroPla »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #343
OroPla wrote: post #265

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Since the invention of the optigrill you can get great steaks in your home. Automatically. Those existing make the comparison a bit silly. Though, given how those seem to be somewhat of a niche that few people know or care about maybe automated perfection isn't what all people have an interest in. Process vs. result and all that. Or maybe it's just that few people realize that optigrills are a thing that exist and ho…

Are you saying a George Foreman-style electric countertop panini press makes a "great steak?"

I don't know about George Foreman-style. So far I only have experience with the GC750D16. And yes, it makes a great steak. Takes about five minutes, give or take.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Post by jaggederest »

d4ng wrote: post #411
WA wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starbucks uses espresso machines that cost 4-5 figures. They have automatic thermal control. They never boil the water. While I agree with your overall sentiment, claiming that Starbucks makes coffee too hot and thus tastes bad is nonsense.

So why does Starbucks coffee still consistently taste like shit?

The more you roast the beans, the less terroir you taste, so you can use cheaper and less uniform beans. In Starbucks case this has become a brand identity, so it has persisted past strictly practical concerns. Many people dislike the kind of acidity and strange flavors you can get from lighter roasted coffee, at least in the milk drinks they want to sell, and light roasts are also harder to get perfect and consistent, so that is another point against it (or the same through a different lens)

Personally I prefer a light or medium roast over an Italian or French roast, but many people disagree

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Post by konart »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #349
konart wrote: post #250

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No offence, but for some reason some people just can't accept a simple fact: for some people this difference is still not a difference. I've tried good coffee. At least that's what people told ne on multiple accasions where I was taken to "the right places" in multiple countries. On two sides of the globe (Brazil and Vietnam if we are talking about producers, not to mention countries that import the beans). Thing is:…

I honestly fail to understand the relevance of "some people can't tell the difference or just don't care". Good (or not) for them?

Sorry, I don't really understand your question.

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Post by zild3d »

recursivecaveat wrote: post #266
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #56

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I also don't think the analogy will age well. It might take more than 10 years, but robots will almost certainly master cooking single pieces of meat. It's substantially harder to reach self driving than it is to cook a "good" steak. Sure, for probably quite a long time you'll be able to find someone who can cook a way better steak than the best robot, especially because taste is extremely subjective... You can debat…

The year is 2100, AI has mastered all human skills except identifying when a piece of meat has absorbed enough heat. Society's brightest agents work diligently to prove which problems are steak-hard and require the continued existence of the dwindling human underclass. The remainder spend their 16 hour days bent over frying pans producing training data or writing documentation on searing. Advanced instruments and pro…

just a quick thank you for steak-hard, smiling over here

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Post by brianmcc »

lmm wrote: post #355
Xirdus wrote: post #191

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Yes I understand the complaint. It's just that "royal we" means something else.

Talking about the "royal we" is a correct, established (if somewhat sarcastic) way to complain about this kind of usage. It highlights the presumptiveness of the author in their use of "we".

No it doesn't. It comes from the Queen saying "We are not amused" to mean "I specifically am not amused".

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Post by sethammons »

chongli wrote: post #352
sethammons wrote: post #303

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All coffee tastes like cigarette ash to me. Similarly, I have been to places that people rave about. My buddy used to run a coffee shop. "Your beans were overcooked"; no, not it. There is something innate to espresso or something. Smells amazing. Tastes like ash.

Good espresso is really difficult to make, with the lighter the roast, the harder it is to get right. Most coffee shops can get good quality beans that smell amazing but without a well-practiced barista the shots will be excessively sour or bitter. Dialling in espresso isn’t simply a matter of finding the right grind setting on the grinder and locking it in. One coffee may pour a perfect 9 bar espresso and then a dif…

Ash. I am telling you, preparation matters not.
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