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Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by hirako2000 »

remus wrote: post #337
hirako2000 wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's just a perfectly fitting excuse for GitHub degradation. Web search, steaming, high frequency trading, and many other systems are resource demanding, and keep scaling. Whether to handle the surge due to bots or wider adoption. But GitHub can't scale git? It isn't even git failing. Incompetence in leadership is what makes a tech business technically unable to meet growing demand.

> Incompetence in leadership is what makes a tech business technically unable to meet growing demand. I don't think this is true. Take LLMs for example, you need GPUs to serve them and these are in short supply at the moment making it hard to meet demand. I don't think this is necessarily the fault of incompetent leadership.

The exception doesn't make the rule.

Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by inigyou »

kami23 wrote: post #290
arandomhuman wrote: post #277

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Because github does not offer the option to (and no, running github enterprise doesn't count).

They don't even let you really run those yourself now either, We moved off a big GHE footprint because the support for it was getting abysmal and features were slowly become GH.com. Ive been dreading the move to GitHub.com and it was worse than I expected.

So how's forgejo been going for you?

Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by IshKebab »

miyoji wrote: post #179
IshKebab wrote: post #151

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I don't think so. GitHub was bought by Microsoft 8 years ago and people have only started complaining about its uptime in the last year or so - exactly correlating with the surge in LLM use.

> people have only started complaining about its uptime in the last year or so I'm sorry but this made me laugh out loud. That isn't true at all, this has been going on for years . This conversation[0] from six years ago has discussion about the outages starting to become much more frequent in December 2019. It has never gotten better in that time, it's just continually degraded. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

Ok I should have said people have only started constantly complaining in the past year or so. Of course there was the odd complaint in the past, but now I see a thread about it at least ever month on HN, and loads of articles about migration off GitHub.

Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by hirako2000 »

ifwinterco wrote: post #339
hirako2000 wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's just a perfectly fitting excuse for GitHub degradation. Web search, steaming, high frequency trading, and many other systems are resource demanding, and keep scaling. Whether to handle the surge due to bots or wider adoption. But GitHub can't scale git? It isn't even git failing. Incompetence in leadership is what makes a tech business technically unable to meet growing demand.

GitHub is different because they need to scale writes , that’s fundamentally a much much harder problem

Which wasn't a problem before MS acquisition. Git is the write intensive process. It scaled to millions of contributors. Then couldn't keep scaling. But sure if you believe the narrative and blame ai bots.

Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by [deleted] »

annzabelle wrote: post #306
gnulinux wrote: post #271

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"1 nine" tends to mean "90% availability" i.e. 37 days of downtime per year. 9% availability would be an uptime of ~33 days a year, I think at that point, we're pushing the semantics of "available" if the service is down the entire year except one month on average.

I offer a nine fives colo.

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Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by inigyou »

Waterluvian wrote: post #109
SoftTalker wrote: post #103

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A case study in vendor lock-in.

Pretty much, eh? If I could right now: 1. go sign-up elsewhere 2. Log into GitHub and point Actions to that new host 3. All my actions files immediately worked without question I'd probably give it a spin and make a wiki page explaining how to swap back and forth. No meetings. No design issues. No scheduling. Just a flip switch on who to pay for computers.

That's why GHA makes you write these weird ridiculous YAML files instead of shell scripts.

Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by inigyou »

purplemoonx wrote: post #131
opiniateddev wrote: post #85

Given the recent history of outages, I wonder how many are seriously considering moving off GitHub for anything other than code hosting. I mean actions / workflows.

Until someone makes a better PR experience you guys are stuck with GitHub. Nobody cares about ATProto or whether your commits are a damn NFT or some bs just literally improve upon the experience. That’s it. It’s as if no company is focusing on the product experience or anybody’s experience anymore. It’s all ooo look what I got I got this I can do that too me me me but nobody will ever buy that. Say what you want abou…

I hear good things from people who've used sourcehut's "email a patch" model, believe it or not.

Also GitHub just sucks.

Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by inigyou »

dabbz wrote: post #88
opiniateddev wrote: post #85

Given the recent history of outages, I wonder how many are seriously considering moving off GitHub for anything other than code hosting. I mean actions / workflows.

My company moved to GH Actions 6 months ago even after I pushed back with a "Are you sure given their reliability issues of late?" Now I'm stuck twiddling my thumbs with PR checks stuck/failing...

Because the exec played golf with a Microsoft exec. That's what really makes decisions.

Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by inigyou »

shados wrote: post #287

This whole mess brought to like just now little moat there is left in the AI world. Like, everyone talks about how you can just prompt a new CRM instead of paying for Salesforce. But in this case, I raced with Fable and Sol and had time to build a full featured, fully functional CI/CD workflow system that has most of the features of GitHub actions (not the ecosystem obviously) and costs less than the GitHub runners p…

Did you run millions of real workflows on it? Or else how do you know it can handle millions of workflows?

Re: GitHub Actions and Pages are experiencing degraded availability

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Post by inigyou »

jjice wrote: post #65

On other occasions, I'd take this as a time to have a walk because I'm blocked. Unfortunately, I need to get some stuff out for a customer quickly. Can't do anything about that though. GitHub is the only product in it's size class that I use that has this kind of incredibly poor uptime. I'd love to know what the most common root causes for these outages are.

This blog series may shine some light on possible root causes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47616242
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