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I won't read LLM authored fiction

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Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

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I have come across a lot of AI-generated youtube videos lately, most of them about trivialities and clearly aimed at a not very critical audience. A few of them also contained hallucinations.

I think a lot of people might be creating AI generated content, books, videos, etc as a kind of side hustle unfortunately.

Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

#52
Whenever I read something that's LLM generated without knowing it, and it's actually interesting, I have questions for the author. After they read my emails and reply back, I realize that they have no answers for me. It's all because both me and the author are reading the article/story/code for the first time.

Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be easy then to link to some AI generated music that is actually good?

I would be impressed if you could link to some human generated music that everyone will agree is good.

Sure, we can lower the bar to "non-shitty" per GP if that's the only way I can get a link?

Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does the author wanted to tell us with this story." Because -> The author never wrote that down. And deriving their intentions from a fictional text felt just like making shit up It’s an exercise in engaging intellectually with the work. It’s not about knowing for a fact what the author wanted to communicate. Art is about engaging with human emotions and thoughts, not about deriving specific facts.

True, but that does not mean that the average teacher won't grade you badly if your interpretation is completely opposed to their and what was discussed during lessons.

Yeah, I had similar bad teacher experiences. But also had good ones who pushed us to come up with our own interpretations and defend them

Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

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post #29

I won't (if I know) either, but for me it's because a very big part of reading fiction or enjoying any art is that you have a relationship of a kind with its creator. When a passage surprises me or a song lifts me or a painting inspires me it's partly because I'm amazed that someone was able to do that, and that they were able to reach me like that. Everyone borrows or steals from prior art but I'm still amazed by th…

> Everyone borrows or steals from prior art

I just want to mention that this is not a bad thing

Often we just call this "inspiration". All our genres are music have their origin in taking stuff from other genres. We wouldn't have reggae if not for ska, rocksteady and R&B.

Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

#57
This effect will disappear when, instead of having 4-6 big models that everyone uses, we'll have trillions of models with memory / continual learning, each independently developing its own voice / personality, drowning all human expression.

Enjoy this "boring LLM" era while it lasts.

Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

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post #43
post #18

This is approaching “I don’t want a synthetic diamond, I want the real thing” levels of lunacy There will come a time, very soon, where you wont be able to tell the difference, and what then?

> There will come a time, very soon, where you wont be able to tell the difference, and what then? We'll stop buying new books, sticking to things written before 2022.

Think about what you’re saying for a moment. Play that scenario out in your head.

Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

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post #42

Definitely agree with LLM texts being boring and lacking personality. Which for technical text is fine, but devastating for fiction. I wonder if you could coax it into writing less average formulations with some clever prompting? I don't oppose LLM fiction on principle, and I don't think McCormick does either, but it's just too damn boring to be worthwhile, and I think McCormick hits the nail on the head as to why. T…

> and that'll inherently be difficult to solve

Why does that have to be solved? There isn’t a problem with art being a human thing. AI doesn’t have to take over all spaces humans occupy just because it is technically possible to do so. We don’t have to push things that way, we can say stop

Re: I won't read LLM authored fiction

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post #29

I won't (if I know) either, but for me it's because a very big part of reading fiction or enjoying any art is that you have a relationship of a kind with its creator. When a passage surprises me or a song lifts me or a painting inspires me it's partly because I'm amazed that someone was able to do that, and that they were able to reach me like that. Everyone borrows or steals from prior art but I'm still amazed by th…

>Everyone borrows or steals from prior art We are products of our environment, we learned what art is by having other peoples art as reference to "what art is". So it's only natural that our own art is inspired by other peoples work. People usually do not directly steal an artstyle though and if so, they are usually called out for that. LLMs directly steal from artists works hallucinating them into a pile of stolen b…

You can't steal someone's art style because they never owned it in the first place. It's not copyrightable. It's good and right for AI to copy artists' styles - it can produce more work more cheaply for those who want it. If that affects the profits of commercial artists, so be it, that's the risk you take when you engage in business in the free market. Get over it.
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