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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by ozgung »

ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

It’s interesting that they haven’t declared AGI yet, even as a PR stunt. It can be like a “pre-revenue” tactic. They are pre-AGI so investors can still pour money.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by stymaar »

vanuatu wrote: post #96
stymaar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking questions to clarify user intent is a very low bar for intelligence. A bar that all SOTA models fail consistently at though. (It's both funny and legit infuriating when Opus, after having made a dozen wild assumptions without checking with you, then comes back with a request for clarification on some mundane topic).

but you can keep asking questions ad infinitum very nontrivial problem knowing when to stop and making assumptions

Yes, that requires some amount of intelligence, that's exactly my point.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by dawnerd »

1saadcodes wrote: post #128

I dont get why they'd make this available to free users when they're probably dealing with compute constraints considering their competition with the Chinese models. Giving a more capable model to a huge free user base looks like an expensive choice to me

For the ad integration, obviously. Plus you tell people they can good up their Apple health and now you get more free training data.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by jaccola »

stymaar wrote: post #73
kkoncevicius wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we could show the current models to someone like Alan Turing, I am sure he would conclude that we have AGI.

And after half an hour using it he'd just admit that his test was way too simple as these models are still way too dumb

I don’t think he would. The Turing Test as originally formulated is a bit ambiguous but by most non-incentivised interpretations LLMs do not pass it.

In the original test the evaluator knew one was a machine and one a human and could have conversations of arbitrary length.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by whazor »

ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

My ChatGPT gives me lots of “artificial general intelligence” on a daily basis that I don’t possess.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by whazor »

heaney-555 wrote: post #31

Giving free ChatGPT users access to reasoning (the 'Think' toggle) will have a broader impact on the world than every new paid model and coding agent combined.

Especially with tool calling.

This could be the Opus 4.5 moment for normal humans.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by khalic »

ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

ok so first the industry takes the AI term, uses it with a very vague resemblance to what it used to mean, for marketing purpose, then they latch on to the AGI term to talk about what people used to consider AI. Now there is no sign of actual AGI happening any time soon, so we're going to reinterpret AGI to mean something diminutive like a chatbot?

Don't you see a problem here? Terms are used to describe the world and need a semblance of stability so we don't end up in a race to the bottom just so investors can feel good.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by claudiug »

freakynit wrote: post #130
firasd wrote: post #7

I think it’s a misread to think the default ChatGPT model switching to GPT 5.6 Luna is some sort of desperation move. Keep in mind that Claude .ai never had this extreme stratification between the frontier models and the free tier (Sonnet is available to free users with rate limits). So 5.6 Luna is just their next version of what they used to call 5.5 instant tier And 5.x instant models were never much to write home…

Claude's rate limits are absolutely shit for free users. 3 chats and its gone for 24 hours.

I dont see that, and I have a lot of chats, long messages, and is not 3 chats.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by [deleted] »

martheen wrote: post #152
fragmede wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're all in our own personal bubbles and extrapolating from there as normal, but ChatGPT has some 800 million users, most of them outside the US. Countries like the Philippines and Thailand. I don't think they're all vibecoding the hottest new SaaS app but maybe they are.

Even the Philippines and Thailand are lower in per-capita usage compared to the US, most of the higher use are in Europe. Interestingly Australia & New Zealand are also pretty high, similar to Europe and far more than Asia & Africa in general, with the exception being Saudi Arabia (similar to US) and Israel (even higher than Australia). https://openai.com/signals/data

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