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Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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As mentioned, they won’t need the fabs. They’re spending tens of billions of dollars to advance their own vertical chip industry. The US just pulled temporary status from hundreds of thousands of Hatians, so I wouldn’t be so confident what the future looks like for Taiwanese refugees in the US. TLDR China is going to build whatever chip technology they need to accomplish their technology and geopolitical goals. They…

The US has a long history of importing scientists, dating back to Vernon von Braun during WWII. It's sad, it's because Hatians aren't TSMC engineers.

The US also has a recent history of making it so hostile that they’re exporting scientists to China, Europe, and Singapore (not exhaustive). Hard to predict the future of who will be welcomed, if they’ll be welcomed, for how long, and if they even want to come to the US. There are many better places to go after all.

Physics PhDs Are Leaving the US at a Record-high Rate - https://www.aip.org/fyi/physics-phds-are-leaving-the-us-at-a... - August 4th, 2026

Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48816003 - July 2026 (260 comments)

Pushed by Trump policies, top U.S. battery scientist is moving to Singapore - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47985353 - May 2026 (37 comments)

Europe to burned American scientists: We’ll take you in - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47906102 - May 2026 (12 comments)

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Military–industrial complex and Israel. The Iraq war lasted nearly a decade. Afghanistan 2 decades. And the US accomplished nothing. They made things worse, I don't need to go into details because that is an easy lookup. That's ultimately the purpose of this war. Israel wants us to fight Iran because "Iran was close to making a nuke", which is an excuse they have been using for nearly 30 years. Have you seen how much…

> Military–industrial complex Is this Military–industrial complex in the room with you right now?

> On January 17, 1961, in this farewell address, President Dwight Eisenhower warned against the establishment of a "military-industrial complex.

As clear of a problem then as now.

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwigh...

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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> Military–industrial complex Is this Military–industrial complex in the room with you right now?

> On January 17, 1961, in this farewell address, President Dwight Eisenhower warned against the establishment of a "military-industrial complex. As clear of a problem then as now. https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwigh...

It stopped being a thing at the end of cold war.

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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> On January 17, 1961, in this farewell address, President Dwight Eisenhower warned against the establishment of a "military-industrial complex. As clear of a problem then as now. https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwigh...

It stopped being a thing at the end of cold war.

Based on what?

Cold War is back on, by the way…

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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That's not really the argument they are making I believe. The issue is if you suddenly cut back oil countries pivot to bringing coal back because it's the fastest to scale up. Some places may scale up natural gas but unless a regional already has a lot of LNG infrastructure in place, a sudden drop in oil means bringing back coal. And coal is of course far worse than oil. Gradual sustained economic pressure will push…

Asia is cancelling LNG plans for renewables, and many markets have seen EV sales explode. Coal plants are more expensive than new renewables and batteries, existing generators may run longer, but aren’t going to be built in any material amount. China, Europe, and the US can build ~25-30M EVs per year with existing manufacturing capacity, as of this comment. That is 1/4th of global annual light vehicle sales. We can d…

Additional citations:

Exxon Mobil Should Skip a Vanishing LNG Market - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-06-17/exxon-... - June 17th, 2026

Why $70 Should Be the Most Worrying Number for LNG - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-05-11/why-70... - May 11th, 2026

> That’s the theory, at least. The problem is that those rising middle powers do have alternatives to meet their energy needs, thanks to the growth of renewables. Asia’s LNG-to-power market was already being aggressively undercut on price by solar, batteries and wind. The war in Iran has demonstrated that clean energy is more reliable, too. If Woodside’s main projects ever get built, they’ll find themselves trying to sell into a glutted market, which has lost all appetite for their product.

> Consider the numbers. A new gas-fired power plant in Asia needs to sell electricity for more than $100 per megawatt-hour to break even. Even existing plants, whose construction costs have long since been paid off, need $70/MWh or more if they’re fueled with LNG. Photovoltaic solar power, or PV, can be had for half the new-build price, at around $50/MWh or less. You can even add a battery and wind turbines and have round-the-clock clean electricity for less than what established gas plants are paying just for their fuel and maintenance.

> Have a look at recent announcements from utilities and generators, and you can watch bullish forecasts for Asia’s gas demand being shredded in real time. Just nine days after the start of the Iran war, a company that spent nearly a decade building a 650 megawatt LNG generator in the Philippines announced it was considering abandoning it. The gas turbines are now being sold to the US, where they’ll serve a data-center site in Indiana — not an ideal market for oceangoing LNG ships. A few weeks after that, Vietnamese conglomerate Vingroup cancelled plans to build a 4.8 gigawatt LNG power plant which would have been one of the world’s biggest, vowing to replace it with solar, batteries and wind instead. Pakistan has been backing away from LNG for several years, driven by a boom in small-scale solar and surging prices for chilled gas after the 2022 Ukraine war. LNG deals in Bangladesh and South Africa have similarly been cancelled or delayed in recent months. India’s gas generation, meanwhile, has been in decline for nearly two decades.

> These days, gas can’t even make the argument that it’s a quick route to power. All those data centers being built in the US are outbidding Asian utilities in a tight market for gas turbines, meaning the only way to acquire generators is to wait longer, or pay yet more for them. Gas is “much riskier in execution compared to PV and wind,” Abdulhameed Al Muhaidib, Chief Financial Officer of Saudi Arabian power engineer ACWA Power Co., told investors last year.

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That might take a week. You're right much worse /s

I haven't looked into this deep enough, but my assumptions are that currently the supplychain for getting and installing these systems takes much longer than coal, which is a much more mature supply chain, and also not limited to China's production. If solar panels were as cheap, quick and available as coal, there'd be literally zero reason why people wouldn't use them over coal, but we know there are enough places t…

> If solar panels were as cheap, quick and available as coal, there'd be literally zero reason why people wouldn't use them over coal

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Solar panels are cheap, quick, and available. China is practically giving them away.

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> But let's be real - gross negligence and incompetence aside war with Iran was always going to happen, somehow, under some pretext. And they prepared for it for a long time. And that preparation has paid off for them. We seem to not have prepared for it in the same way.

Well no. Iran is not in a great state and is not doing that well. They are just willing to sacrifice and suffer through several magnitudes more than US ever could.

They are doing better than before the war because they have unlocked leverage they didn't have before and now have proven survival strategies for their two biggest threats: war with the US/Israel and massive armed protests.

Yes thousands have died from the war. You say they can stomach that more than the US but for them it is a defensive war. The US could stomach such losses in a defensive war, but an offensive war against an enemy that has never once attacked US soil is a different matter

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