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Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by pseudohadamard »

wasfgwp wrote: post #41
thraway3837 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Military–industrial complex and Israel. The Iraq war lasted nearly a decade. Afghanistan 2 decades. And the US accomplished nothing. They made things worse, I don't need to go into details because that is an easy lookup. That's ultimately the purpose of this war. Israel wants us to fight Iran because "Iran was close to making a nuke", which is an excuse they have been using for nearly 30 years. Have you seen how much…

> Military–industrial complex and Israel. Or general stupidity and incompetence. Trump and his cabinet of clowns thought they could score a big win (I suppose like Russia back in 2022). Now they are stuck in shit and have no clue how to get out. If the military industrial complex was in control of the US gov. they would stop President Cheeto from antagonizing the rest of NATO and therefore reducing the competitivenes…

Yup, it's a dementia patient floundering around, supported by a coterie of nutters and incompetents. You know it's bad when the Iranian leadership is the least crazy party in all this.

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by TiredOfLife »

thraway3837 wrote: post #10
relug wrote: post #2

interesting why usa wants to keep escalating, muat be some strat behind it maybe to induce strategical global recession or try and slow down china or something else

Military–industrial complex and Israel. The Iraq war lasted nearly a decade. Afghanistan 2 decades. And the US accomplished nothing. They made things worse, I don't need to go into details because that is an easy lookup. That's ultimately the purpose of this war. Israel wants us to fight Iran because "Iran was close to making a nuke", which is an excuse they have been using for nearly 30 years. Have you seen how much…

> Military–industrial complex

Is this Military–industrial complex in the room with you right now?

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by triceratops »

wasfgwp wrote: post #49
triceratops wrote: post #25

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> coal might be more expensive than new renewables/batteries, but it's significantly quicker to get up and running How so? I can have a crew out installing panels tomorrow.

10-100+ MW of panels?

That might take a week. You're right much worse /s

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by OneDeuxTriSeiGo »

mrtesthah wrote: post #33
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #17

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That's not really the argument they are making I believe. The issue is if you suddenly cut back oil countries pivot to bringing coal back because it's the fastest to scale up. Some places may scale up natural gas but unless a regional already has a lot of LNG infrastructure in place, a sudden drop in oil means bringing back coal. And coal is of course far worse than oil. Gradual sustained economic pressure will push…

> The issue is if you suddenly cut back oil countries pivot to bringing coal back because it's the fastest to scale up. That may have been true a couple of decades ago, but as of 2023[1] it was significantly cheaper to build new solar than to continue operating existing coal plants. And building new coal plants takes 5 years. 1. https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2023/01/30/building-new-solar-pr...

The issue is that in a lot of places, it's not about building new coal plants. It's refurbishing and restarting old plants that have been shut down in the past decade or two.

Coal is already here but most places worked really hard to move to cleaner sources (oil being one of them) and wind down the existing coal infra.

This is part of the reason why people have been pushing nuclear SMRs (small modular reactors) given they can often be set up in existing coal plants and they just replace the coal part of the plant and reuse the existing turbines, etc since just like coal nuclear is basically a glorified steam boiler.

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by pamircake »

cyanydeez wrote: post #8
megamike wrote: post #5

question: When does all this hit the fan? Been reading for months that gas will rise to astronomical prices. When? answer: it depends heavily on China. If China were to jump into the global oil market with both feet, prices would shoot upwards. To date they have largely stayed on the sidelines.They have huge amounts of oil in storage. Their behavior so far has been the big surprise. They have been providing a pressur…

when the rich people stop talking to their LLMs and realize their hand servants have access to guns.

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Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by toomuchtodo »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #3
relug wrote: post #2

interesting why usa wants to keep escalating, muat be some strat behind it maybe to induce strategical global recession or try and slow down china or something else

The only way for the US to win is to concede and acquiesce control of the Strait to Iran, but the administration has too much pride and hubris so they’ll keep bullying until stopped. It’s not a complex geopolitical game, it’s saving face.

Trump's Iran dilemma: He's stuck in war with no exit in sight - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49200602 - August 2026

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by acdha »

fragmede wrote: post #13
megamike wrote: post #5

question: When does all this hit the fan? Been reading for months that gas will rise to astronomical prices. When? answer: it depends heavily on China. If China were to jump into the global oil market with both feet, prices would shoot upwards. To date they have largely stayed on the sidelines.They have huge amounts of oil in storage. Their behavior so far has been the big surprise. They have been providing a pressur…

I wouldn't call what they're doing "staying on the sidelines". It's a very big thing they're doing to stop global oil prices from shooting up by using up their stockpile for as long as they can. As to why, it's just the... I dunno, Chinese? thing to do. Quietly fix someone else's fuckup and not seek glory. Whatever you want to attribute it to, it's an ethos and makes total sense to some, because things are gonna get…

China isn’t trying to crash the global economy but they’re letting prices rise to the point that their EV, solar, and battery companies are seeing huge demand. They don’t want a depression, just acceleration of that trend.

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by fragmede »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #37
DivingForGold wrote: post #36

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>If Taiwan toasts TSMC when that happens ... You can bet that all TSMC chip factories in Taiwan have strategic installs of explosives just for this scenario, China will get nothing, and the US has multiple TSMC chip factories now and will gladly accept Taiwan victims.

As mentioned, they won’t need the fabs. They’re spending tens of billions of dollars to advance their own vertical chip industry. The US just pulled temporary status from hundreds of thousands of Hatians, so I wouldn’t be so confident what the future looks like for Taiwanese refugees in the US. TLDR China is going to build whatever chip technology they need to accomplish their technology and geopolitical goals. They…

The US has a long history of importing scientists, dating back to Vernon von Braun during WWII. It's sad, it's because Hatians aren't TSMC engineers.

Re: Iran threatens to hit Gulf states if US launches new strikes

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Post by AuthAuth »

mrtesthah wrote: post #32
AuthAuth wrote: post #31

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The country making the most pollution is unaffected by this.

China? No. They have massive exposure to gulf oil production. https://www.northerntrust.com/europe/insights-research/2026/...

yes but their pollution is from coal so it will ultimately make little difference.

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Post by shaewest »

triceratops wrote: post #53
wasfgwp wrote: post #49

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10-100+ MW of panels?

That might take a week. You're right much worse /s

I haven't looked into this deep enough, but my assumptions are that currently the supplychain for getting and installing these systems takes much longer than coal, which is a much more mature supply chain, and also not limited to China's production. If solar panels were as cheap, quick and available as coal, there'd be literally zero reason why people wouldn't use them over coal, but we know there are enough places that still use coal IE Germany.
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