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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by scotty79 »

GrayHerring wrote: post #40

Hard disagree on "Good enough", most things are mediocre at best. Despite the massive AI boom I can at best count on one hand "fresh" products made with AI that are meaningful in day-to-day usage. Not to mention most of them seem to be targeting AI-space itself instead of bridging some actual business use case. Just look at all the products on ShowHN, you can "tell" a vibed product in seconds.

If you are waiting for someone else to make a good product for you with AI, you are missing out. The best AI products have userbase of one.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by asdfman123 »

abixb wrote: post #119

I've run this thought experiment a number of times with different sections of my (relatively) diverse friend circle. I ask them a version of this question on repeat : "what if AI automates X aspect of your work?", and the final answer (either because of frustration with the loopy nature of the question or a genuine stopping point) arrives somewhere along the lines of "my judgement," "my knack," "my embodied nature,"…

Right now we're all training AI models on our taste. All of our chat logs are being uploaded, and the AI companies are training the models on them to get them right the first time.

It will soon no longer require taste. Or at the very least be 95% of the way there on the first run.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by sublinear »

abixb wrote: post #119

I've run this thought experiment a number of times with different sections of my (relatively) diverse friend circle. I ask them a version of this question on repeat : "what if AI automates X aspect of your work?", and the final answer (either because of frustration with the loopy nature of the question or a genuine stopping point) arrives somewhere along the lines of "my judgement," "my knack," "my embodied nature,"…

Judgment was all there ever was to begin with. It's why it's what God himself does, although I'd be curious if there are deities that don't involve judgment in some form.

Anyway, I completely agree and the past several years have been an absurd journey into borderline psychosis with some people.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by DiscourseFan »

eudamoniac wrote: post #106
DiscourseFan wrote: post #25

I keep seeing people trying to define judgement and taste and then they don’t actually like cite Kant’s Critique of Judgement where this is basically the entire concern.

Hume also has an essay about this. People don't read philosophy anymore. They think blog posts are just as good, or at least more "relevant", somehow.

Look I mean, many famous artists don't understand their work at all. You don't have to have read philosophy to create something meaningful or make an insightful comment. But if you are going to start using terms like Judgement or Taste, you really ought to know where they come from.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by erelong »

I've been circling this insight for a bit previously, leading me to a convo with AI about how we are now approaching more of a spec - no, prompt - no, context - no, [insert newest paradigm] driven design approach

The point being more that the development does weigh more heavily on having fun ideas to ask AI to build

I think there's probably also a place for people to make guides for AI-assisted programming or even personal essays on their views of "taste" or what they want code to look like?

I see pop up frequently objections to vibe coding (different from mere AI assistance in coding - vibe coding being creating things without looking at the code at all) that it doesn't account for architectural descisions, cybersecurity decisions, edge cases, and other such things. So to me it looks like a next step might be in identifying these things "vibe coding" doesn't do well, that people can learn more manually, so they can do at least AI assisted coding well.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by catigula »

Honestly, a lot of people are denying this, but the latest models ARE at the point where their systems design generally surpasses mine because they have a better grasp of how the domain of any problem is typically solved.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by boron1006 »

I don’t like the term taste, but the problem that I have is that LLMs don’t seem to work “good enough”. They seem to be able to solve the immediate problem, but stacking this on the scale of 3-4 devs over 6 months or so doesn’t seem to produce anything.

One thing that I’m particularly frustrated with is the writing quality of LLMs. Like this is the thing that they should be able to do, but I would say almost everything they write has almost no signal.

Over a mid sized AI generated codebase that means I’m reading like 500 words to figure out what a module is even doing.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by devin »

erelong wrote: post #126

I've been circling this insight for a bit previously, leading me to a convo with AI about how we are now approaching more of a spec - no, prompt - no, context - no, [insert newest paradigm] driven design approach The point being more that the development does weigh more heavily on having fun ideas to ask AI to build I think there's probably also a place for people to make guides for AI-assisted programming or even pe…

I think you missed the point of this article.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

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Post by devin »

scotty79 wrote: post #120
jdzikowski wrote: post #116

When resources are scarce, you are forced to use them in a meaningful way. You learn to do only what matters most: what is right, minimal, essential. When you need to choose wisely when resources are scarce -- this is how you learn the taste. Now that creation is cheap, the scarcity has moved to adoption. Things built without taste are less likely to be adopted, to survive. At least that is what I'd like to believe.

Absolutely not. Scarcity forces you to do with what you have. Only in abundance, only when you can have everything, you have room and reason to develop taste.

It is quite the opposite in my experience.
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