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Taste Is All That's Left

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Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#101

Post by jopsen »

Taste will always be there.

But toil is not gone. We have still have code owners, lawyers, physical hardware, thousands of configurations that we can't test them all.

And notably: we will still be asked to write software we can maintain in the future.

Sure, there are short-lived non-critical software projects where LLMs will rule.

But for many big complex projects, you can't land code without reviews. You can argue its because taste is already being enforced in the name of maintainability.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#102

Post by cautiouscat »

jopsen wrote: post #101

Taste will always be there. But toil is not gone. We have still have code owners, lawyers, physical hardware, thousands of configurations that we can't test them all. And notably: we will still be asked to write software we can maintain in the future. Sure, there are short-lived non-critical software projects where LLMs will rule. But for many big complex projects, you can't land code without reviews. You can argue i…

> But for many big complex projects, you can't land code without reviews.

Why do you think orgs are pushing less reviews? Token-maxxing increased PRs but stupid meat brains are a constraint. So of course, remove that constraint and you’ll have your features faster!

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#103

Post by hellojomp »

NathanKP wrote: post #98
bijowo1676 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is profitable to sell McDoubles, since they are popular and cheap, but McDonalds CEO doesnt eat its own burgers https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/1rhug58/mcd... so it is profitable to sell vibecoding tools, but its unlikely to be consumed by "serious organizations"

That is a significant leap in logic. A vibecoding tool is not a McDouble. Nor is Chris Kempczinski the same person as Dario Amodei. The biggest difference is that there are only so many ways to eat a McDouble, but you can actually wield a vibe coding tool with skill. There's nothing stopping you from looking at the code and asking for structural reworks or refactors that please your code taste. In fact one of the bes…

A significant leap in logic is my middle name :) (I am not an AI)

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#104

Post by jopsen »

cobertos wrote: post #6

> The market timed you both with the same stopwatch and it did not see the difference. It cannot see the difference. Taste does not show up in the diff. Doesn't that mean guaranteed failure in the market if you use taste as your guiding star? Therefore, there's really no way to enter the market anymore. I don't know how you then ship software or monetise it...? The market will just clone it. So... Don't share stuff p…

> Doesn't that mean guaranteed failure in the market if you use taste as your guiding star?

If taste is maintainability, etc.. the no quite the opposite.

The startup that has no taste and vibecodes mindlessly might end up with a codebase they can't maintain or refactor. A product that can't advance.

But honestly, I don't feel like the toil is gone. Landing code in big projects remain hard.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#106

Post by eudamoniac »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #25

I keep seeing people trying to define judgement and taste and then they don’t actually like cite Kant’s Critique of Judgement where this is basically the entire concern.

Hume also has an essay about this. People don't read philosophy anymore. They think blog posts are just as good, or at least more "relevant", somehow.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#107

Post by vor_ »

DrBrock wrote: post #77

I find this post disheartening. To my eye, it seems to be the author's first blog entry with obvious LLM contributions. Given the recent "moving to a farm" ... 7 days later ... "leaving the farm" posts, it's hard not to read this as someone clearly struggling with the burnout which is all too common in our industry, and resultingly giving in to the false promise of a machine that can just handle the thinking for you.

They've updated the article to state that no LLM was used.

Re: Taste Is All That's Left

#110

Post by embedding-shape »

dcre wrote: post #21

This post is awful! Annoyingly written and zero insight. Most posts about this taste concept are bad (and there have been so many), but this is below average.

You've read many of them? Then you'd be the best to review even more of them! I'm ready for a raw and truthful review of my very own edition of the "taste" blog post, posted mere ~6 months ago, on the same topic: https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/
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