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Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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What I've really gotten out of this is that I'd like to learn how to use a (proper) meat thermometer when I make steaks.

Since this is HN, here's the maximum technology option: https://combustion.inc/ They have a thermometer with multiple sensors in it that finds the core temperature of the food you're cooking automatically, and predicts the rise in temperature over time. So the alarm goes off when it's time to pull and rest, which is absolutely amazing.

I have one of the Combustion thermometers, and I like it. I used it more than I expected. In particular, I use it for roasting chicken and for sous vide things more than anything else. Then I got a Breville Control Freak, and I used it much less. :)

For maximum techyness, Combustion, Inc. correctly identified that sous vide is normally an overdamped system. If you follow their instructions you can increase the water temp some and then bring it back down in order to move the system closer to critically damped and speed up your sous vide.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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I’ve been taken to a steak house for birthday and was shunned for ordering something basic. My reasoning is; a steak is so easy to ruin because it’s so easy to make that it’s just not worth the price to risk eating an expensive crappy steak. So I opt for something more basic that I know will be excellent because of the establishment.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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No, that is exactly GP's complaint. Their whole point is that OP has written things like "we throw everything at a model and hope it gives us what we imagined, without ever having to understand how any of it actually works" when the honest statement would be "I throw everything at a model and hope it gives me what I imagined, without ever having to understand how any of it actually works".

I'm pretty sure the author intended it as a regular "we".

There's also the wifely we, meaning "you", as in "we need to take out the trash."

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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People are allowed to use tools and non-traditional techniques, even when it feels like cheating. They needn't be chastised for this. The gestapo isn't going to kick in the door and haul folks away for using reverse-sear and a meat thermometer while they cook a steak in their own kitchen. (And everyone is free to seek their own kind of masochistic pride, if that behooves them. When a person has better satisfaction [o…

I'm not chastising anyone, I have no power over them

> you're like a kid on training wheels

Anyhoo.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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What I've really gotten out of this is that I'd like to learn how to use a (proper) meat thermometer when I make steaks.

The funny part is steak is one of the easiest foods to cook without a thermometer You don’t have to worry about undercooking like you do with most other meats and most steak cuts will be delicious anywhere from 11-130 (if you cook a filet to 130, it won’t be the best but it’ll still be good) and some can go even higher It’s not like poultry where the range where it’s “good” is very small. A 170 chicken breast is almo…

You can be safe down to 135F if you give it enough time. https://douglasbaldwin.com/sous-vide.html#Poultry_and_Eggs

In particular, I use 135F for 90 minutes (75 minimum recommended) to pasteurize eggs that I am going to be putting into something that asks for "raw" eggs (egg nog, mayonnaise, etc.) that I will serve to other people (if it's just for myself, I'll probably just be lazy and use the raw egg). So far, nobody has noticed any difference from "raw".

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Coffee is a good metaphor here too, because bad technique can ruin a good steak just as surely as good coffee. "knows how to use a meat thermometer and reverse sear" describes like 10% of the population or less, same with coffee - there are people who use a bad grinder and a not-regularly-cleaned Mr. Coffee with good beans and get gas station coffee, and there are people out there making solidly B+ class coffee using…

Perhaps I'm crazy, but I truly can't taste much of a difference between "good" coffee and "bad" coffee. I can certainly tell the difference between a good steak and a bad one.

> can't taste much of a difference between "good" coffee and "bad" coffee.

I found a 5+ year old half-full bag in the back of the pantry once; that was quite noticeably bad even though I usually can't tell the difference between kinds beyond recognizing that there is some sort of difference.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since this is HN, here's the maximum technology option: https://combustion.inc/ They have a thermometer with multiple sensors in it that finds the core temperature of the food you're cooking automatically, and predicts the rise in temperature over time. So the alarm goes off when it's time to pull and rest, which is absolutely amazing.

I have one of the Combustion thermometers, and I like it. I used it more than I expected. In particular, I use it for roasting chicken and for sous vide things more than anything else. Then I got a Breville Control Freak, and I used it much less. :) For maximum techyness, Combustion, Inc. correctly identified that sous vide is normally an overdamped system. If you follow their instructions you can increase the water…

I've had a Combustion thermometer since they came out. The best uses for me are butterflied whole chicken on the grill and roasts in the oven. You can get extremely precise results and account for carry over cooking very easily. Huge leap in results.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

3 minutes on each side at 600 watts on cast iron, throw it in a foil packet, and ignore it until the rest of the meal is done and plated.

I'll leave it to you to figure out how to unfuck AI, but I reckon 600 watts won't provide enough inference capacity.

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