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Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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This stuff should have some warning tag: rando's musings about LLMs. Lately, whenever I think I found an interesting article it turns out to be this.

You're also a rando, but the difference is that the rando who wrote article made it into the front page of HN

And I consider that a great achievement, not being on the HN front page when I have nothing to say.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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That "simple process" requires equipment most people don't own or know how to operate, an oil most people don't keep in their cupboards, and is suggested in a book most people haven't heard of by a tech CTO they would not recognise the name of. Honestly this is like the Dropbox comment all over again. Everyone is missing the point, it's glorious. :) Most people cooking steaks don't care about the optimal way to cook…

Why wouldn't you have corn oil?

Where I live corn was never used for producing oil. For that purpose we used rapeseed/canola, sunflowers, olives and pumpkin seeds. Corn grown here is mostly used for corn flour, cornmeal (polenta), or for animal feed.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Am I the only one who thinks the "reverse sear" is like cheating? It takes out all of the skill when you move from the pan to the oven, and I lose all of the fun in learning to be chef.

I agree, it's cheating. My bad hot take is if you're using a meat thermometer and reverse sear to cook steak, you're like a kid on training wheels.

People are allowed to use tools and non-traditional techniques, even when it feels like cheating. They needn't be chastised for this.

The gestapo isn't going to kick in the door and haul folks away for using reverse-sear and a meat thermometer while they cook a steak in their own kitchen.

(And everyone is free to seek their own kind of masochistic pride, if that behooves them. When a person has better satisfaction [or whatever they get out of it] from doing things the hard way, then that's OK too.)

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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You'll start to taste the difference once you get that one really-well-made pourover at a place that _lives_ for the love of coffee. There are some coffee beans that have crazy taste profiles when properly extracted with the right water. I had one that tastes literally like a peach and another that tasted like a really nice tea. Or maybe not. Different strokes!

So I can taste differences, but they simply don't matter enough for me. My areopressed coffee with nice fresh locally roasted beans does taste different from a mcdonalds pot. Less harsh, less chemically flavored. But for me those differences don't really matter. They are close enough that I can enjoy both. But I would say I know I'm also weird in that food temp really doesn't bother me all that much. I enjoy my coffe…

Same but I’m sure my sense of smell is weaker (or average?). On the other hand, my sense of color differentiation is extremely fine.

Unsurprisingly my interests are very color-dominant (design, art, fashion) and I do not care for anything where smell matters (wine, coffee, flowers).

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Salamander broiler would be incredible to have at home. We get decent results from using a cast iron pan thats as hot as we can get it. At most we can sear 2 steaks as it tends to cool off pretty quick even under high heat. Got any better alternatives that a home cook could use?

A blow torch might be worth trying. I'd think it's still not as good as a hot broiler because it's heating a relatively small area.

As noted in an earlier comment of mine, I have one (actually made for burning weeds) connected to my gas grill tank, and a fancy Japanese one inside. They're honestly pretty rinky-dink. What they are good at is transferring heat just to the crust. But they only do a small patch at a time, and you have to hover for far longer than you'd think. Like, you do a little patch, leave the torch there for 30 seconds, move on. They just don't pump enough energy into the crust fast enough for them to be a general solution. I use them for touching things up, or crisping up a bit.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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Agreed. I'm an avid cook. Sous vide circulators are cheap now, and so are meat thermometers. Doing a steak well is one of the easiest cooking tasks, to the extent that I won't bother paying top dollar in a restaurant because it's so easy to do restaurant quality at home. I could teach someone to cook a restaurant quality steak in a couple hours and a few practice runs.

I've made steak probably 100 times in the past decade (sometimes with a sous vide) and I don't think I've ever made one I would say is great. Certainly not as good as what I can get at a good restaurant. I think what my home steaks are really missing is the crust from salamander broiler. I don't have anything at home that can exceed 1000 F / 550 C.

There's really not much to it? Stick it in a low oven and bring it just under temp, then finish it in a ripping pan. If the results you're getting from that aren't restaurant-caliber, it's probably the meat you're buying. You definitely do not need 550C to put an excellent crust on a steak!

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

"Omelet" is the right (and classic) analogy here.

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

it reminds me that making a ring is not rocket science https://youtube.com/shorts/NPKOGqXKLq4

Re: Software development with AI is starting to feel like cooking steak

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I take the point, but I think the author picked a poor analogy. Cooking even an excellent steak is actually not that hard. In fact, I'd argue that it's among the easiest things to master/make at a top level quality at home. Does it require some modicum of attention and understanding? Sure. But starting with a high quality cut, owning a meat-thermometer, and knowing about reverse searing is about all it takes to relia…

So, once you've used your knowledge to make several important pre-task decisions, the task is easy? Pre task decisions that a layperson would accidentally make implicitly because they don't even know to ask, which will probably result in them still not enjoying their steak despite having nominally done the task itself correctly?

Imagine someone walking into their local grocer, grabbing a prepackaged porterhouse steak (because it's fancy right?), salt and pepper (because for a good steak that's all you need, right) and then wondering why part of it tastes bland and overdone, and the other part bland and under-done.

Sounds pretty analogous imo.

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