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Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Gemini 3 Pro was legitimately frontier and released 8 1/2 months ago, not 14.

I remember after that release everyone was saying "well obviously google is going to win this, we all knew it, they have the data and the infrastructure"

Google owns 15% of Anthropic. They'll be winning either way.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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We'll know that we've reached AGI when a key conservative political belief in the US is that AIs are not people and do not deserve rights. We'll know that we've reached the singularity when there's a mysterious and superintelligent AI entity with technology and motivations that we as humanity do not understand and have no control over. Not sure why we want that, exactly, but that'll be the big sign.

Humans are really terrible at most things, being moral being exhibit A. I want a singularity yesterday, and I would even go as far as to claim that all people have an ethical obligation to build super intelligent AI systems as fast as possible to reduce the maximum amount of suffering through the universe possible in living things. The moment that we can get viable non-human leadership I will embrace it with open arm…

I can't agree until I have some reason to believe that the non-human leadership will be moral in a way that I can accept. Giving up control forever to some unfathomable, alien intelligence is basically the last meaningful choice our species will ever make, so don't be in a hurry to commit.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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At $work, r&d once had a retreat with a consultant to discuss why our productivity was too low per some spreadsheet. The consultant was told how everyone is in meetings all day so we all stole time from our families at night to get any work done at all. :(

Someone I know who did a lot of consulting said consulting was very easy 1. Go in and talk to employees about what is wrong 2. Tell management what the employees said without mentioning it came from the employees (so that management wouldn't dismiss it out of hand) 3. Charge a lot of money so management felt like it was very valuable feedback

Also repeat the entire exercise every year so the company can iterate and circle back on the issues regularly.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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This funny post reads surreal, but it may carry some truth: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273?lang=en

https://xcancel.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273

In my opinion it carries much truth. Somewhere in Google's archives there is a message I sent to the OC that said, "The department of philosophy does not ship solutions to real problems, that is why there has never been a successful company that insisted the world adapt to its philosophy." Google was, even then, blind to what they were missing.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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So, in last several months, all the prominent names Google lost: Demis Hassabis (technically still with google but these things are usually presented with a spin), Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, Noam Shazeer, John Jumper, Jonas Adler, Alexander Pritzel, David Silver, Denny Zhou, Fernando Pereira, Alex Turner And all the prominent names Google gained: NULL Combined with no gemini frontier GA relea…

This funny post reads surreal, but it may carry some truth: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273?lang=en

Best thing I read all day. I also work in a multi billion dollar enterprise and man this is so relatable it hurts.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

#896

Does anyone else feel something’s off about sundar? I feel google has become evil. I had my phone and laptop stolen and did not have 2fa on but Google still locked me out. That’s stupid.

Off in the sense that he shouldn’t be running the company?

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Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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If humans could politically-economically deploy superintelligence safely, then we'd already have less extreme pain/suffering. Unless there are countervailing forces, it will be deployed, capital will hoard the benefits, and everyone else will be told to fuck off. I don't have faith in any of the AI labs to make hard financial decisions to deploy hypothetical future AGI in a way that's good for humanity as a whole. Th…

Capital hoards benefits because resource scarcity and cost of production are a thing Post scarcity societies would likely have entirely different dynamics

We're already physically running out of materials to cheaply build infrastructure. I'm not sure how solving the economy needing humans translates to humans having more things -- short of "turning off" the consumers to conserve resources, and taking the things that they may have otherwise consumed.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Part of me thinks Google's entire problem is crappy internal tooling, not really an anti-innovation environment. Just making a dev take 2x as long to get something done has a bigger effect than you'd think. With LLMs it's more like 10x now because even Gemini doesn't understand Google-internal tooling.

Google's internal tooling is still, hands down, better than anything that exists for the scale they operate at, and it's not even close. Google's processes, however, is hands down the worst thing to exist for the scale they operate at, and it's not even close.

I think the internal web tooling was pretty good compared to anyone but AWS circa 2016 but by 2020 when I left it felt a bit antiquated. Similarly they didn't have linters rolled out until it was industry standard iirc.

But BCL is still the worst language I've ever used.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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> quite the opposite Apparently living on the net still doesn't guarantee that one has heard of the Streisand Effect. In any case, my first association with LessWrong is Zizians, not Roko.

As a mod you have to delete harmful things. I think the spread of Roko's is entirely due to its own memetic strength as an idea, and the Streisand effect has very little to do with it past the first dozen people who saw it. We also have done nothing to signal-boost the Zizians. :) If we can be accused of anything in this context, it's not kicking bad people out aggressively enough, which seems very different from fos…

> If we can be accused of anything in this context, it's not kicking bad people out aggressively enough, which seems very different from fostering bad ideas.

It's not very different. It's barely different at all.

Right now, I have five tomato plants growing in my garden. Two of them I planted; the other three grew from seeds left in the ground by tomatoes that dropped from plants growing last year. All I did was refuse to uproot them when they sprouted. Five healthy plants, with different origins, but the differences are largely insignificant.

Groups and behaviors are much the same way. I've worked with hundreds of moderators over the years who wished to keep their hands clean and yet express some sort of dismay as to the sorry state of the communities they were nominally responsible for... Such moderators, like a gardener who does not want dirt under their nails, are best encouraged to find other hobbies.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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they are paying them like rank and file google employees, aside from a few star researchers

Of course it does matter what other companies are paying, but I wonder how many DeepMind employees actually deserve to be paid more than any other "rank and file" Google employee? What unique skill do they have (esp. relative to what Google are now doing), and what value are they creating? I don't get the impression that the difference between one company succeeding to build SOTA LLMs, and another struggling, comes d…

the fate of the company partially rests on whether deep mind does well, you sound like an MBA
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