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You can't just call the party you disagree with corrupt.
You can't just call grifting and fascism disagreement.
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What complicity in such evil does a user of his products face, if any? Are most people evil then? If not, what excuse for them can you offer that does not rob them of their human agency? Or do you agree with another commenter that all users of his products are necessarily zombies? Speaking of such creatures: If someone trolls you on his platform, is that his fault too? What conduct should he control on such a wide pl…
This sounds like a pure trolling? Why do you do it on behalf of Zuckenberg? Yes, HE is complicit in those. Facebook knew what is going on.
Not joining your mob makes me a troll?
I guess you did answer one question - you have no answers, only scapegoats.
I don't do it for "Zuckenberg". I don't really care about him at all. I assume if he didn't exist, someone else would have invented the same thing. After all, he basically ripped off the idea to start with. I do it because imo worse than dealing with obvious capitalist self interest that one can at least model and bound is dealing with people like you who treat themselves as some constituent of a crowd of pitchfork bearers rather than a serious civic participant. Irrational, virtue signaling outrage that I doubt you really even believe in or actually care about. Because what else are you doing about it? On your notion of "complicit" you might as well direct the same invective at your local gas station. I'm sure you will be able to find a relevant laundry list of perceived crimes.
Why don't you go through all those questions in order and actually attempt an answer? Or if the answers are so obvious and I'm such a troll, why has no one built a social network of comparable scale that avoids all these problems? Does the existence of Zuckerberg somehow preclude such a thing from ever existing? Is this another one of his malevolent powers?
Good thing our founders had the foresight to know the greatest check of all is on the people, so as to never let a mob establish guilt or innocence.
By all means, propose sensible social media regulation. If you can even conceive of such a thing. You sound like someone who has no idea what it is like to find yourself before some tribunal, some body with the power to judge human conduct as being "complicit" in some crime. The entire history of the West might be most optimistically summarized as endeavoring to hold such tribunals to the highest standards of objectivity and veracity. Have a nice day buddy.
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>NIMBYs often refuse to accept practically any change, regardless of the benefits. This isn't limited to data centers being sited nearby: You see it in issues as petty as new pickleball courts. We also saw it for new power plants long before modern AI was a factor. This isn't new. I'm not saying you, personally, are a NIMBY, but it's undeniable that they exist. It's not personal, but I can tell it's touched a nerve.…
> Dismissing them all as a single unified group of people opposed to all change is a disgusting contempt for everyone who disagrees with your comfort no matter what it may cost them personally. That may be your personal interpretation of it, but it's not my intent. > We've seen thousands and thousands of jobs cut and people laid off for AI. Those people are bearing the cost of your personal desire for a little bit of…
You're moving the goal posts and your true nature is leaking.
You get to decide what too much suffering is for others, because you won't have to face any of it and monstrously will continue to refuse to care about how your chasing a shiny toy hurts other people.
Losing a job due to AI is suffering, it causes hardship and stress.
1. Oracle, Block, Ford, Cloudflare, Salesforce and others' CEOs have explicitly stated that they did layoffs because of AI
2. This isn't needed for "causes suffering" but since the jobless rate is growing and job growth is low or negative the last year or so, there are people who can't get a job because the candidate pool has grown. Even if a laid off person can get another job, it certainly contributes to someone being left out of work. Furhter even if they can get another job - do you have evidence that the new job is equivalent or better to the one they lost?
3. I never claimed bankruptcy. You're trying to say that people struggling to make ends meet having to struggle harder to reach the same result isn't a problem since they aren't bankrupt. It's an absurd position because bankruptcy isn't the definition of hardship.
Furhter I never claimed the worst has happened. I'm trying to prevent the bad, not just "the worst". Your seeming position is "if its not the worst outcome, its not bad, who cares that we hurt a lot of people since we could have hurt them worse". Again, it's a deplorable position and the type of thing you should wish for yourself and your children before you wish it on others.
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> Do you have proof that people are bribing the federal government to ignore federal law? Why does there have to be an actual exchange? “For my friends everything, for my enemies the law.” — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides#Later_life
My intent is to highlight that unless you have evidence of corruption, accusing people of bribery is just slander by another name. I hold our politicians in no high regard, but I do hold myself to some standard in that I won't accuse someone of corrupt conduct unless I actually have evidence. The point being, it's laughable to slander someone else's morality while you lie to posture your own.
Not making the argument of whether or not it's corruption, but the DOJ sought to provide a legal exemption for the XAI datacenter:
https://apnews.com/article/musk-xai-data-center-memphis-poll...
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> there are also ways to build these things that absolutely destroy the local water supply Has this happened somewhere?
I know of one example where this was a problem, it didn't destroy the local water supply but water usage was absolutely a problem. A family friend is a sales engineer for an industrial/commercial HVAC manufacturer and they had quoted a chiller that I think was basically a swamp cooler, in that it would constantly need new water as it cooled because it was using evaporative cooling Turns out they could not get enough…
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The infrastructure thing I get! The water thing is, I think, baloney, but depending on where you are there's energy generation concerns. Seems totally reasonable to me for local political bodies to demand that new data center projects account for what they'll do to the local power grid, and, obviously, running jet turbine gas generators is not a reasonable answer to those concerns. What frustrates me about the new po…
> The water thing is, I think, baloney It’s legal/permitted in most cases, but it’s certainly a problem, what these specific data centers are dispensing into the water table in certain places. What exactly are you saying is baloney?
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Given that after the advent of virtualization we had a glut of datacenter space, and then the crypto bros started buying them up to mine: do we actually need more datacenters? Or do we just need regulators to say things like: mining crypto to facilitate money laundering and ransomware isn’t welcome here?
>Given that after the advent of virtualization we had a glut of datacenter space Virtualization isn't new, it's a technology from the 2000s. I think we are well beyond absorbing any spare capacity that the efficiencies of virtualization squeezed out at this point
Correct, it was absorbed by crypto bros. And now many of them are attempting to offload to AI. Ban crypto datacenters and there’s plenty of additional capacity available. There’s a reason China did almost a decade ago now.
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#428This doesn't sound like the proper use of eminent domain to me.
Right, it's supposed to be used to take people's homes. /s
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The implication being that people should like data centers more than sports stadiums...? I don't understand.
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I've been checking stats and comparing it with here (Spain) and I never thought the difference of residential water usage was so different. Average use of water per capita in Spain is about 47m3 a year, so a third of the USA. And that number is quite consistent around the EU, except for Greece and Cyprus, where it's about double or even a bit more.
Spain and EU are like eg Connecticut
Care to elaborate?