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Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by dpoloncsak »

eviks wrote: post #137
nseggs wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the Chrome example an Apple issue and not a Google issue? Chrome in fact likely doesn’t need mDNS-SD in most cases, so why is it asking for that permission (to browse services on your local network, no doubt sending all findings back to Google and closely associating the things it found with your Google account and more) the moment it launches every new copy? Why are they treating updates as unique copies? How…

The failure of the OS is not identifying those updates as a single app and applying the same permissions

But it works for other apps, no? I'm no app developer, completely out of my depth here, but it sounds like Google isn't following whatever process Apple has set, as opposed to Apple screwing Google over specifically (which there are many examples of)

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by dpoloncsak »

nobleach wrote: post #99
glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

I can tell you that Apple grows closer and closer to Microsoft-level annoying every year. The update situation is just stupid at this point. 10:30am and "hey, we'd like to take your computer offline for 45 minutes? Want to defer until this evening? Yeah? put your password in anyway. iOS has gotten gross as well. You see that email notification on your lock screen? Wanna see what it says? Tap it. HAHA, that just expan…

Fwiw, you can change how notifications work and change the 'stack' style to a standard 'list'

Not sure if you can get the entire email in the notif, I think the only stock options are 'previews' or nothing

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by eviks »

dpoloncsak wrote: post #141
eviks wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The failure of the OS is not identifying those updates as a single app and applying the same permissions

But it works for other apps, no? I'm no app developer, completely out of my depth here, but it sounds like Google isn't following whatever process Apple has set, as opposed to Apple screwing Google over specifically (which there are many examples of)

It doesn't work for other apps because it's unrealistic to expect that only Google "isn't following" A non "lazy and incompetent design" would make "non-following" a non-issue unless ... well, that's where you actually need to know what's going on and prove that it's such a special case of non-following that it's hard-to-impossible to design around - in which case yeah, the OS designers are off the hook

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by nozzlegear »

eviks wrote: post #136
nozzlegear wrote: post #112

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> I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig deeper and discovered a privacy settings UI with dozens of entries written "Google Chrome" with the permission disabled. One for each time I said "No". IMO the party that should be blamed here is Google. Why do they keep asking you for local network access when you've already…

No, Google should be blamed for asking, Apple should be blamed for poorly designing permission system

That's reasonable, I agree there.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by justinclift »

goodmythical wrote: post #104
jmartrican wrote: post #97

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I really want a Linux laptop. The problem is that Apple's M series CPUs are too good.

Have you looked at Asahi?

Bear in mind that Asahi only really supports M1 and M2 based macs for now, with M3 being worked on (I'm unsure how complete):

https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/overvie...

So it's probably going to be a while before there's support for the recent generations. :(

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by jmartrican »

justinclift wrote: post #146
goodmythical wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked at Asahi?

Bear in mind that Asahi only really supports M1 and M2 based macs for now, with M3 being worked on (I'm unsure how complete): https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/overvie... So it's probably going to be a while before there's support for the recent generations. :(

Thanks for the callout. My mac mini runs M5

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by robotresearcher »

abrookewood wrote: post #131
glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

I'm in the same position ... just got my first mac, love the hardware, but man, I don't know why everyone is so smug about the software - it has a fairly similar number of annoyances as Windows (not qiute as much, but it's close). I have a massive screen and the right most application has it's menu ... at the very, very left of my screen. It's soo far away it is just crazy. And that menu can't be moved to teh side or…

> Applications that get closed aren't really closed ... you have to quit them.

This is the classic Mac behavior since the 1980s. Except now some apps are identical with their single window and will exit when that window is closed. So you no longer know what to expect. Sigh.

Why have this behavior ever? It used to be that apps took a while to start up. Switching to an open-but-no-window app was a lot faster than launching it from scratch. That’s not so important now that most apps start quickly.

Now the main advantage is that you can use keyboard shortcuts to make a new window in open apps (CMD-tab, CMD-n gets a new window in the previously used open app, for example)

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by justinclift »

jmartrican wrote: post #97
Gareth321 wrote: post #85

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I use and have used Windows and macOS for decades. I think Windows is better, but both are doing their best to drive users to Linux. Their relentless focus on extracting subscription and "service" revenue from others is fundamentally undermining the user experience in countless ways. Ads. Dark patterns. Nags windows. Auto-bundled games and software. Telemetry. Every year they make their operating systems just a littl…

I really want a Linux laptop. The problem is that Apple's M series CPUs are too good.

Reviews of the Framework Pro 13 seem pretty good, if you're not too price sensitive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQb9eGeclQw
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