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Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by abrookewood »

glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

I'm in the same position ... just got my first mac, love the hardware, but man, I don't know why everyone is so smug about the software - it has a fairly similar number of annoyances as Windows (not qiute as much, but it's close).

I have a massive screen and the right most application has it's menu ... at the very, very left of my screen. It's soo far away it is just crazy. And that menu can't be moved to teh side or turned off or whatever.

Applications that get closed aren't really closed ... you have to quit them. I don't know why. Or if they are minimised, then I can't alt-tab to them .. or I actually can ... but they don't actually OPEN!

Windows insist on opening to some arbitrary width and height instead of neatly snapping to a side etc.

Anyway, at lot of it is fixable with add-ons etc, but it's still annoying. I'll be happier when I can jsut run linux.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by nseggs »

glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

How is the Chrome example an Apple issue and not a Google issue? Chrome in fact likely doesn’t need mDNS-SD in most cases, so why is it asking for that permission (to browse services on your local network, no doubt sending all findings back to Google and closely associating the things it found with your Google account and more) the moment it launches every new copy? Why are they treating updates as unique copies? How would it be the fault of macOS if any app behaved this way? Clearly not all apps behave this way, so how is it an OS level issue?

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by Induane »

rubyfan wrote: post #86
apothegm wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly 2002-2010 that attention to detail was on display and the OS struck an impressive balance between features, ease of use, and power user access. Since then it’s been straight downhill. First they stopped investing in desktop in favor of mobile. Then they underwent some rewrites to OS and bundled apps that dumbed things down and exploded the defect rate. Then they started setting the stage for a touch experienc…

> And then there’s the travesty that is Tahoe. Liquid Glass has no place on the desktop (or the phone really). I migrated to Mac OS X from OpenBSD in like 2002 or so. MacOS has been a steady decline for many years, probably soon after the iPhone. Snow Leopard was probably the height of the MacOS experience. It’s been lots of little things along the way but I agree Tahoe is an inflection point.

Towards the end of it's dev cycle I think Snow Leopard got pretty good.

I do think about this article though: https://www.rubenerd.au/the-myth-of-snow-leopard/

Obviously (to me anyway, maybe folk disagree) comparing a new release to the previous versions last release (with years of bugfixing) wasn't totally fair, but my experience with Snow Leopard wasn't great either and I wonder if it wasn't quite the peak everyone thinks of it as.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by Induane »

bigbuppo wrote: post #120
rubyfan wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And then there’s the travesty that is Tahoe. Liquid Glass has no place on the desktop (or the phone really). I migrated to Mac OS X from OpenBSD in like 2002 or so. MacOS has been a steady decline for many years, probably soon after the iPhone. Snow Leopard was probably the height of the MacOS experience. It’s been lots of little things along the way but I agree Tahoe is an inflection point.

And the worst part? It's still the best option.

Depending on your needs. I'm not sure it's that cut and dry. For developer experience I don't find it very good. My System76 laptop provides a better experience.

It is all pretty subjective though. Windows is the best option for some.

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by microtonal »

grishka wrote: post #124
microtonal wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. But at least on Samsung phones, you can uninstall the packages from the user partition and in that way rip most of that stuff out (like the McAfee scanner in security, Bixby, Gemini, OneDrive, etc.). So, yeah, they are copying, but by virtue of the ecosystem being less open, you are mostly stuck with it.

You can disable Samsung's system apps using adb as well. The command is `adb uninstall --user 0 com.package.name`

That is what I was alluding to, though I recommend people to use UAD-ng, since it explains what each package is and they are separated in safety-based categories.

One note though: removal of system apps with adb is blocked in Android 17. You can only disable system apps on Android 17:

https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-an...

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by eviks »

nozzlegear wrote: post #112
glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

> I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig deeper and discovered a privacy settings UI with dozens of entries written "Google Chrome" with the permission disabled. One for each time I said "No". IMO the party that should be blamed here is Google. Why do they keep asking you for local network access when you've already…

No, Google should be blamed for asking, Apple should be blamed for poorly designing permission system

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by eviks »

nseggs wrote: post #132
glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

How is the Chrome example an Apple issue and not a Google issue? Chrome in fact likely doesn’t need mDNS-SD in most cases, so why is it asking for that permission (to browse services on your local network, no doubt sending all findings back to Google and closely associating the things it found with your Google account and more) the moment it launches every new copy? Why are they treating updates as unique copies? How…

The failure of the OS is not identifying those updates as a single app and applying the same permissions

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by eviks »

glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

Think almost all of that is purely visuals. For example, there are many Windows apps with blurry fonts due to poor dpi support, and that's not common on Macs.

Otherwise it's mostly about... the visuals again, but in the hardware side - how the hardware looks better, though, to be fair, that also has a bunch of "doesn't flex like cheap plastic" improvements)

Maybe also the fact that you're less frequently exposed to a garbage sea of complexity like the registry (sure, it exists and is even worse because there is no built in GUI)

But ultimately you're asking about legends, that's the stuff of history, not something you should expect to experience

Re: “Gravity is worth asking about”

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Post by jklowden »

glimshe wrote: post #51

I really wanted to hear the opinion from Mac diehards about modern MacOS. I've used Windows for decades but bought a Mac M2 a while ago. I really like it so I'm not trying to say "Apple Bad". But I'm yet to see Apple's legendary simplicity, minimalism and attention to detail. I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig d…

Apple is learning from Microsoft, sometimes as counterexample.

You won’t know Apple joy until you replace the one you have with another. If you’re backed up via Time Machine — because you are, right? — then you plug in your new machine, hit “restore” or whatever it’s called, and head off to sleep. In the morning all your data, applications, and settings will be there. Your new machine will be indistinguishable from the old but for the grime.

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