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Yes believe it or not in the US you can also buy things from fabricators in Shenzhen.

If time is of the essence, or rapid prototyping is needed, the shipping hurdle is a real problem. Going down the street for the goods vs having them go across the globe is quite a difference…

Time is often not of the essence when doing fundamental research.

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Garbage in. Garbage out. I can't believe how many people on this site worship talentless managers.

Jeff Dean invented MapReduce and Bigtable.

Say what you want about their later years, but Dean and Ghemawat deserve their title of engineer.

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Garbage in. Garbage out. I can't believe how many people on this site worship talentless managers.

Jeff Dean invented MapReduce and Bigtable. Say what you want about their later years, but Dean and Ghemawat deserve their title of engineer.

They wrote the paper, they did not build it.

Gemini (stolen technology they had nothing to do with) says:

Jeff and Sanjay led the development, but they collaborated with a small team of engineers to build and refine the database.

So, who were the engineers who actually built it? It lists "Fay Chang, Howard Gobioff, Mike Burrows, Wilson Hsieh, Deborah Wallach" but Idk if it's accurate.

I know that these talentless managers didn't do anything, that's for sure

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The site itself is really leaning into the “made with Fable” aesthetic

Why are people so sour about this?? I can read the site easily, its clear, performs well on mobile, what else do you want? Why is so offensive to people that models trained on tailwind or whatever?

I see nothing but glazing and worship for talentless managers from Google of all piece of shit places. Just an Indian shithole in the middle of the Bay Area that doesn't do anything innovative

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I love this question. If history is a guide, some version of that is what will happen (employment doesn't seem to go down, despite technological progress and population + economic growth). I suspect the root cause is that it's harder and scarier to imagine good outcomes. It exposes us to disappointment, and when you do it publicly, it looks "crazy". Another explanation is that there's no direct consumer for "more." I…

I know some scientists and there's barely enough demand for them as it is

I suspect we’re at the stage of technological civilizational development where, especially with LLM-assisted gradient descent seeking upon the results, basic science, research and engineering for the pure sake of establishing search space beacons of what is found to be true and what is not, irrespective of immediate industrial applications payoff, are valuable economic inputs in and of themselves into ever-expanding training corpus. It has never been easier for people in different fields to now search knowledge spaces in LLM’s, for applicability to their problem spaces of discoveries in seemingly unrelated spaces.

From my perspective, we are desperately short of scientists, researchers and engineers, but we are using an outdated economic model to leverage their findings. LLM’s are a large part of Bush’s Memex and Jobs’ bicycle for the mind visions for intelligence amplification, and in some ways exceed them. I hope we trampoline from how we currently use basic seeking efforts for knowledge.

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For reference, here are their Google Scholar pages:

Jeff Dean: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=sdcsQb4AAAAJ

Sanjay Ghemawat: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=0KF6ZC8AAAAJ

Quoc Le: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=vfT6-XIAAAAJ

Oriol Vinyals: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=NkzyCvUAAAAJ

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They make many bold promises, but their core goal is neatly encapsulated on the website: "Imagine a future where a handful of people can conduct scientific research and engineering tasks much more rapidly, and with higher quality, than massive teams of scientists and engineers do today." This is the same goal as every other AI company out there. Automate away the human employees and let a small number of "people" (no…

I don’t understand why all of these companies need to frame it like this. Why not a large amount of people doing an even larger amount of science?

Same amount of humans means no cost savings. More science is hard to value, while less salaries paid is easy to value.

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post #197

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Why not just add 'mind control' while you're at it. Only death stops stagnation in the end. Without death, especially if death can be avoided by the rich and powerful but not the poor, life will get much, much worse for the average person (until only the rich and their automated capital remain I suppose, in which scenario they will simply turn on each other).

This is the classic "without death, authoritarian depots will be in power forever". But it's actually the wrong way around. Hope that the despot will soon die saps peoples' will to do the difficult and dangerous job of removing them. Take away that hope and they are forced to find the courage.

Forced to find the courage or die trying to. And I really doubt that knowledge that their despot will eventually die has much effect on people's motivation to rebel as in most cases there is a clear line of succession. In many cases there isn't even a single despot to point to. This isn't even considering how such anti-aging technology would prevent despots' mental acuity from deteriorating as they aged - in fact they would probably grow sharper as they gained more experience so to speak. And aging/succession have almost always been one of the greatest destabilizers of a successful authoritarian regime.

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At a population level, humans getting rid of their off switch is about as good of a thing as your own pancreas cells getting rid of theirs.

I know you're gesturing emphatically at some kind of analogy to cancer, but malignant cancer requires replication not immortality.

Seems very naive to think that people who have access to immortality technology aren't going to have children, and if you're immortal of course you're not going to watch your children grow old and die, so you share it with them.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to count out how many generations you need to run this until it's 'oops, all self-replicating individuals with broken off switches.'

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