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On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by belowavgiq »

Cider9986 wrote: post #8

GrapheneOS has minimal, private [1] system apps so you don't have to debloat anything yourself. Manual debloating is not a good solution at the user level. Some system apps are being overhauled, so that's something to look forward to. Gallery will be [2] based on ReFra [3]. [1] Except phone and messaging but that's the cell network. GrapheneOS recommends Signal/Molly or SimpleX instead. [2] https://nitter.net/Graphen…

GrapheneOS has got absolutely nothing to do with any of this. LineageOS, pure AOSP, are all the same. No bloat, no locks. The way they've successfully marketed a more involved custom ROM as a special OS to tech illiterates is very funny I'll admit.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by littlecranky67 »

develoopest wrote: post #5

I don't understand why ensuring general-purpose computing is not a priority of the European Union. All that talk about sovereignty, and we are giving full control of our digital lives to 2 American companies.

Because the EU wants attestation for age verification, digital surveillance and censorship, not free software platforms that wont implement any of those.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by drdexebtjl »

Xirdus wrote: post #60
skinfaxi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that not possible with ios applications?

You can't sideload iOS applications. Meaning there's no point to doing any of the listed things.

Of course you can. How do you think developers test their apps?

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by inigyou »

ptero wrote: post #37
mosura wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do what the Chinese did and fork Android. The EU has enough tech talent to do it, but the political and managerial class lack both the strategic ability or the willingness to adequately reward the effort it would take, almost certainly preferring to, again, outsource the concern, and then be shocked Pikachu later. Anyone doubting this should see how BMW think about their in car software. And that is for a supposedly…

If the govvies (any govvies; there is nothing specific to EU here) drive that process of forking a large, powerful, universally used system you will end up with more surveillance, not less. Because kids, because pornography, because terrorism, whatever. This is too powerful an option for control freaks to resist.

I'm not 100% sure about surveillance but you will definitely end up with the most milquetoast risk-averse bland corporate system ever, complete with 6 months of paperwork and KYC to get a certificate to sign any executable with your real name, so it will be allowed to run.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by zb3 »

K0balt wrote: post #55

Seriously question; why is the answer to this not a phone that can just run GNU/Linux? Is it just the lack of application support? I mean, you’ll have blobs, but at least at the os level you’ll have options? Can’t you run an android sandbox in Linux? Docker phone? I’m sure I’m missing something here, but what?

Because this will be less profitable. Google created a cartel-like model where if you make a device that doesn't respect user choice, you will make more money because Google will share with you, providing you obey their rules.

This model is attractive for almost everyone - Google, OEMs, operators and even governments.. the only side that loses here is.. the user.

This situation can't be solved with market forces alone, it must be solved by law.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by inigyou »

mosura wrote: post #80
ptero wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the govvies (any govvies; there is nothing specific to EU here) drive that process of forking a large, powerful, universally used system you will end up with more surveillance, not less. Because kids, because pornography, because terrorism, whatever. This is too powerful an option for control freaks to resist.

And this is why everyone gives up on doing anything while standing around complaining that no one does the right thing. What is so pernicious about the EU approach is the enthusiasm and efficiency with which it stops anyone from doing anything, while simultaneously attempting to regulate what everyone else in the world can do. If they put even a small part of that energy into encouraging the right thing to happen the…

Not really. They weren't saying if it existed in the EU it'd have to surveil. They were saying if the EU government created it it'd have to surveil.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by dainiusse »

_imnothere wrote: post #31
dainiusse wrote: post #28

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I fully agree with it. But I think Google also understands that the platform is unatractive for businesses. In my case I just don't do Android app because I know it is easy to just take and hack. It is not the case on iPhone. And my app is one time payment so the ability to just copy out the APK leaves me not doing an app at all...

> I know it is easy to just take and hack No you don't, otherwise we wouldn't have banking apps on it.

It is a bit different. My app doesn't rely on 3rd party services at all. It just provides functionality. It is not about breaking into someones account.

I just know that the app can just be cracked - there are plenty of sites that do that for android. Because you can't just load your app on iOS - this is just not possible (well perhaps there are a few percent of some jailbroken iPhones, but that is neglibile).

On Android though, you can soon see such app stolen and on some of the apk warez sites. It just breaks the model.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by jackdoe »

In the next decade open hardware will win, any machine that exposes itself to be programmed by its user will be infinitely better than a machine that doesn't.

From keyboards to phones to tractors.

The appstore will die, and the walled gardens will die.

Unless they use 'for the children' to make open machines illegal.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by ethagnawl »

tstactplsignore wrote: post #43

This sucks. I use adb to uninstall all of the system apps like facebook, youtube, web browser, etc. to give myself a minimalist, distraction-free phone that still has niche apps, maps, and communication apps. Might have to look into the expensive light phones as an alternative now if this update hits my phone.

> I use adb to uninstall all of the system apps like facebook

I've only ever used Cyanogen/Lineage or Graphene, so I had no idea this was a thing. I'm not surprised but ... WOOF.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by belowavgiq »

dugite-code wrote: post #34

Ok this is not as bad as I feared, disable still works and that uninstalls any updates that app has gotten. It was always a bit surprising you could uninstall an app in a "read only" partition

HN users are so hilariously out of touch with the Android world they are downvoting your completely correct observation.

I'd probably get more useful information reading Hindi Telegram groups without translating anything

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