Earlier quoted context omitted.
An undersold embarrassment of this fiasco is the Marine Corps has 10 (ten!) amphibious assault carriers that are more capable than most nations' flagships and we didn't see one of them even talked about. Why have we been floating these things for decades?
How would you propose we use them here? It seemed for a while like our military was at least prepping for a land invasion. Maybe they could have been part of the landing but I'm sure as hell glad they didn't follow through with an invasion. The geography, supply line issues, and drone warfare would have been an absolute nightmare.
U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
741–750 of 769 posts
Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#742Not an American but live here. But I don’t understand the fixation of US in middle east theatre. With the abundance of onshore oil through fracking revolution, presumably US doesn’t need to police the Middle East. The president himself said US doesn’t need their oil. So what is this conflict all about? Is there bigger geopolitical price tag attached to victory in Iran? Or US is just besieged by corruption to the exte…
AIPAC is the single most influential special interest group in US politics. If you don't do what AIPAC says to advance their foreign policy goals, they will remove you from office at the next election. They do this on a regular basis and even publicly brag about it.
FTFY. Times are changin'
Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#743Not an American but live here. But I don’t understand the fixation of US in middle east theatre. With the abundance of onshore oil through fracking revolution, presumably US doesn’t need to police the Middle East. The president himself said US doesn’t need their oil. So what is this conflict all about? Is there bigger geopolitical price tag attached to victory in Iran? Or US is just besieged by corruption to the exte…
It's about communism, World War 3, Israel _and_ Iraq _and_ Saudi Arabia _and_ UAE and other Middle-Eastern countries, it's about nuclear proliferation, it's about oil trade outside of the USD system, it's about China sanction proofing, it's about Taiwan, it's about terrorism, it's about Russia and many other things. We usually don't act until the number of reasons to act reaches a threshold. We were slow to get into…
Indeed, you left out the time cube.
Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#744Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#745Earlier quoted context omitted.
It wouldn’t be the first war the USA loose against a smaller enemy. See Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc etc.
The USA has never been defeated . It's never been taken over by force and forced to submit to a foreign power. War getting a little too expensive or politically unpopular for their tastes is not really a loss, and it implies nothing about their true capabilities. It's their relentless deindustrialization that will eventually do them in. The USA's industrial output back in WWII was staggering, its enemies had little h…
Wars are not contests of hypothetical maximum destructive capacity. They are attempts to obtain political goals at an acceptable cost. It was a strategic and political defeat, even though it was not an unconditional military surrender.
Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#746That's hard to believe. US with it's military spending should be able to join two large scale conflicts at the same time, not to have problem with a one minor conflict.
Great video about this article from a political science / game theory professor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-ewrIenEbo
Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#747Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's what the US tried to do. Yes but with the caveat that they wanted the lowest risk to US service members during the bombing. This means using up the fire and forget stuff rather than the guided munitions attached to planes. They have good air superiority, but poor logistical options to do that. The traditional way to do this is to park two carrier groups within 500 miles of the target and convey tonnes of che…
An undersold embarrassment of this fiasco is the Marine Corps has 10 (ten!) amphibious assault carriers that are more capable than most nations' flagships and we didn't see one of them even talked about. Why have we been floating these things for decades?
These Marine amphibious assault carriers are highly vulnerable to swarm tactics by fast Iranian assault boats. Iran has a few thousand of them which can be deployed fast.
You need a full strike group to support the assault. And that means those ships are in range of Iranian mass-drone strikes and missiles. And Iran has a lot of hidden missile cities that they are yet to reveal.
There is no way to achieve territorial supremacy without tens of thousands of casualties. It will make Vietnam look like a papercut.
Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#748Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd personally label the factions within the military that view aerial bombing as an effective strategy as "conservative", especially the ones that follow in the footsteps of Henry Kissinger and Curtis LeMay. It's hard not to see the direct line to Pete Hegseth's leadership, as well. Notably, one of the largest "Liberal hawks", LBJ, often disagreed head on with Curtis LeMay because LeMay was too insane in his villain…
> I'd personally label the factions within the military that view aerial bombing as an effective strategy as "conservative"... If "aerial bombing as an effective strategy" still means "you can win wars just by dropping enough bombs", I'll disagree. Because that use of "conservative" (simplistic maximum macho force) is equally applicable to Army leaders who want to occupy every square inch of the enemy's territory, or…
Based on this paragraph, I think we are in agreement?
My point is basically that conservative leadership, both within and outside of the military, has sought (and implemented!) simple solutions to complex problems that end up backfiring immensely. In this case, the problem is “enemy country bad”, and the solution is “bomb them submission”. I’m not sure we need to go into details on how that’s a terrible idea?
That’s not to say that liberals don’t put forth simple solutions to complex problems, it’s just that conservatives have successfully implemented obstructionist strategy starting with Newt Gingrich in the 90s, and the closest we’ve come to anything on the national level to liberal policy has been the ACA, which was so hamstrung that it was nearly unrecognizable when compared to the Romneycare it was modeled after. It’s also the stated goal of Project 2025 to roll back nearly all of the progressive policy wins of the Obama and Trump 1 eras (the latter wins coming only via judicial decisions, not executive or legislative).
Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#749Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would you propose we use them here? It seemed for a while like our military was at least prepping for a land invasion. Maybe they could have been part of the landing but I'm sure as hell glad they didn't follow through with an invasion. The geography, supply line issues, and drone warfare would have been an absolute nightmare.
I don't think they could have been productively used, I'm more saying that they have always been a waste of money.
Re: U.S. used 'virtually all' of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war
#750Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am glad that you do.
Then explain what you think it means, because your examples are about missile attacks on fixed bases, not control of the air.
If you follow world news from non-western-propaganda-sources, you would know, the fighter jets shoot without entering Iranian airspace to stay clear of Iranian home made anti air defense and heat seeking tech along with potential russian and Chinese air defense.
Entering Iranian airspace has been costly for US as witnessed by the famous shootdowns of multiple jets over the course of last several months.