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I’m leaving OpenAI to build telepathy

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moritzwarhier wrote: post #70
nullorempty wrote: post #32

From the article. >Thought-to-text, aka telepathy No, that's not telepathy. I'd leave the term alone. Consider it to be reserved for... well... telepathy!

Well, the text-to-thought direction feels less sci-fi, and combining both would amount to kind of telepathy. But sure, you're right. Reading is not a deterministic mapping of text to thoughts. Apart from the trouble of defining what a thought is, independent from the person who thinks it. Me thinking of grabbing a mug of coffee is a different thought from you doing the same... defining "thought" pulls in a whole jung…

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Post by gpderetta »

duderific wrote: post #145
adityashankar wrote: post #89

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This might be naive, but I think the idea is to replace your keyboard

Sure, but the author takes it much further than that. She wants to have the AI write into her brain as well as read from it.

that replaces your monitor.

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Post by gpderetta »

komadori wrote: post #104
sam-cop-vimes wrote: post #5

Hmm...how do you stop private thoughts from reaching the LLM? Suddenly you can be prosecuted for thinking the "wrong" thoughts?

That's easily solved! The Conduit® Thinkerface® Pro Band will contain a small 90B dense local model that pre-screens your Conduit® NeuroTokens® stream for compliance against the Conduit® Acceptable Usage Policy applicable for your region and subscription tier. If non-compliance is detected you'll be promptly notified via a small current applied to the Conduit® ThinkRight® Human Training Electrodes embedded within you…

realistically, it will be used to beam ads to your brain.

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Post by aaronharnly »

ferris-booler wrote: post #152

> 2027 — A morning at Conduit > I put a band around my head, and open my laptop at Conduit. It’s 9 am. My device pairs with my laptop over Bluetooth. I open, without loss of generality, Codex. At least we are reassured that short-range networking protocols will be invariant under the apocalypse.

The most incredible part of Star Trek to me is not the warp drive or transporter, it's that they open flawless video links with alien species of every description with 100% reliability.

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Post by jackling »

nitwit005 wrote: post #213
jackling wrote: post #208

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Isn't that just for data collection though? I imagine the fully trained model they're expecting to have will be able to map thoughts -> text. The data collection will naturally need to have the 2 sets in order to do self-supervised training.

Remember that a lot of people have no internal monologue, and even for those that do, it's silent most of the time. They might hope to get that, but the typical case is for there to be no text or voice to extract.

Right but if someone was given a task, internal monologue or not, there will be some brainwave pattern to map thoughts to typing, right? Otherwise, how is the person typing? For a sufficiently complex task, I don't think you can rely on reflexes alone. If I understand the data collection method they're using, they will sit someone in front of a keyboard, give them some task, and collect both what they type out and the associated collected brainwaves.

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Post by deadbabe »

recursive wrote: post #50
the_sleaze_ wrote: post #39

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Upon trying it for the first time more than 60% of people never exit - that's just great retention!

Every time I accidentally start vim, I just buy a new computer.

not much different than people rushing to buy Mac minis to run OpenClaw

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Post by keeda »

blep-arsh wrote: post #204
keeda wrote: post #178

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We call this (or basically any AI-related anomalous behavior) "AI psychosis" today. The quoted text is a prediction of the end-state of her work in 2035. Without commenting on how realistic it is, I will point out that if you took the average person on the street taking a call on their bluetooth earbuds, and send them back just ~2 decades, they would look like delusional people talking to themselves. I suspect a lot…

Headsets (including Bluetooth ones) were already a thing back then, so they'd have to go back another couple of decades, I guess. Using the speakerphone mode in public would attract some looks though.

Yes but the headsets back then were these (relatively) huge ugly things dangling off your ear that an ex colleague amusingly called “roaches”. You could tell something was there if they walked by within a few feet of you.

The AirPods of today are pretty much invisible which is why it’s genuinely impossible to tell even with a close look who they’re talking to, especially when they stare at ME because I’m staring at them trying to figure out if they’re talking to me!

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Post by lovich »

LPisGood wrote: post #219
lovich wrote: post #218

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Ok? The philosophical basis is only loosely correlated with the legal basis which is what the person you replied to asked. Again look at the run around on the fourth amendment or the commerce clause ruling that made it so growing wheat for your own consumption was legally considered interstate commerce.

I don’t think what you’re describing is a run around. The fourth amendment rulings and the interstate commerce rulings are logically consistent with the principles of the constitution:

lol, don’t think we have the same mindset then.

The fourth is effectively gone in the digital age since so much activity is done via third parties who the government can compel to hand over your information.

And for the interstate commerce clause they twisted it to argue that completely _intrastate_ commerce was actually interstate commerce because you would have bought the goods from other states if you didn’t make it yourself[1].

I’m not even opposed to the ruling in terms of what the government should be doing, but you are being blind if you think that’s logically consistent. There’s no reason the constitution would specify “…to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.”

It would have just said they had the power to regulate commerce.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

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Post by lenerdenator »

foobiekr wrote: post #155
lenerdenator wrote: post #127

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That, or just SV madness. If you're in northern California anywhere near the Bay Area, work in tech, and are reading this, I am literally begging you to leave your echo chamber. This isn't healthy or grounded in reality in any way, shape, or form. It's not just the AI stuff, it's the whole mindset. Humans aren't meant to operate in that sort of environment where there's unlimited funding and no consequence.

There isn’t unlimited funding. That’s temporary and it’s going to be great when it runs out.

That's just it, though; for people like the ones in SV, it doesn't run out. There's always a golden parachute, always a politician willing to give a bailout, always enough money to just stop working for good.

When you reach that level, you have to work incredibly hard to screw things up.

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Post by nitwit005 »

jackling wrote: post #225
nitwit005 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that a lot of people have no internal monologue, and even for those that do, it's silent most of the time. They might hope to get that, but the typical case is for there to be no text or voice to extract.

Right but if someone was given a task, internal monologue or not, there will be some brainwave pattern to map thoughts to typing, right? Otherwise, how is the person typing? For a sufficiently complex task, I don't think you can rely on reflexes alone. If I understand the data collection method they're using, they will sit someone in front of a keyboard, give them some task, and collect both what they type out and th…

Sure, but remember the use case being discussed is interrogation. You have a tool that can collect what someone is trying to type, but they aren't trying to type.

And, my point was, there may be zero words to collect at all, because they'll tend not to be actively thinking about any words.

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