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On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by _imnothere »

dainiusse wrote: post #28
vincnetas wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that was the original android phone idea. Get a hackable open device that you can write apps for your self. Even attach third party hardware to it for extra functionality with lots of customisation. But this idea has mutated quite a bit.

I fully agree with it. But I think Google also understands that the platform is unatractive for businesses. In my case I just don't do Android app because I know it is easy to just take and hack. It is not the case on iPhone. And my app is one time payment so the ability to just copy out the APK leaves me not doing an app at all...

> I know it is easy to just take and hack

No you don't, otherwise we wouldn't have banking apps on it.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by Godsend69 »

createful wrote: post #7

I think it might be a good idea to pause updates on our Android devices, as horrible as it is for security just to prevent this from happening. My OEM has a lot of bloat (Facebook and other junk apps you can't uninstall, useless system services, etc) that mostly do nothing except provide some functionality I don't use along with analytics every minute so they are uninstalled. "Disabling" an app does not do that much,…

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Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by inigyou »

mosura wrote: post #30
inigyou wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

Do what the Chinese did and fork Android. The EU has enough tech talent to do it, but the political and managerial class lack both the strategic ability or the willingness to adequately reward the effort it would take, almost certainly preferring to, again, outsource the concern, and then be shocked Pikachu later. Anyone doubting this should see how BMW think about their in car software. And that is for a supposedly…

There's GrapheneOS. It's Canadian, not European. I'm not sure where LineageOS is from.

BMW isn't the EU government. Like I said, someone has to actually do it. BMW Actually Did It in a really user hostile way, and that's the best we have. Why is nobody Actually Doing It but good? Or why aren't we buying MNT products?

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by II2II »

felooboolooomba wrote: post #3
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #2

Noose keeps tightening, the war on General Purpose Computing, the war against users owning devices intensifies. How utterly fallen. We'll see what happens with the proposed ADB changes. Lots of no one asking for this, lots of people describing how badly their phone use will be greviously impacted, and seemingly very little discussion/engagement/justification. Maybe they'll fire the bullet anyways. https://issuetracke…

You will own nothing and you'll be happy.

Maybe they're right, albeit for all the wrong reasons.

Perhaps the problem is our desire to have everything, no matter what the compromises are. Perhaps the problem is our inability to say, I'm going to go with product X even though it lacks Y because we actually own X. There is virtually no incentive for competition to pop up in such an environment since established companies have a lead of years, decades if you consider the size of the established companies, so consumers will follow their lead.

I don't mean to suggest that buying alternatives is a solution to the problem as a whole, but doing so may allow enough niche products to survive to give those of us who are interested in alternatives and alternative to choose from.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by mosura »

inigyou wrote: post #33
mosura wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do what the Chinese did and fork Android. The EU has enough tech talent to do it, but the political and managerial class lack both the strategic ability or the willingness to adequately reward the effort it would take, almost certainly preferring to, again, outsource the concern, and then be shocked Pikachu later. Anyone doubting this should see how BMW think about their in car software. And that is for a supposedly…

There's GrapheneOS. It's Canadian, not European. I'm not sure where LineageOS is from. BMW isn't the EU government. Like I said, someone has to actually do it. BMW Actually Did It in a really user hostile way, and that's the best we have. Why is nobody Actually Doing It but good? Or why aren't we buying MNT products?

BMW behaviour is perfectly representative of the EU mentality.

As is your comment. It is basically “someone else should do this properly and I will take the benefits” but not actually willing to put up the hard bit themselves.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by ptero »

mosura wrote: post #30
inigyou wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a regulated market economy. Someone has to actually make the product. They can't force someone to make a product. There's MNT in the EU.

Do what the Chinese did and fork Android. The EU has enough tech talent to do it, but the political and managerial class lack both the strategic ability or the willingness to adequately reward the effort it would take, almost certainly preferring to, again, outsource the concern, and then be shocked Pikachu later. Anyone doubting this should see how BMW think about their in car software. And that is for a supposedly…

If the govvies (any govvies; there is nothing specific to EU here) drive that process of forking a large, powerful, universally used system you will end up with more surveillance, not less.

Because kids, because pornography, because terrorism, whatever. This is too powerful an option for control freaks to resist.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by createful »

kotaKat wrote: post #25
createful wrote: post #7

I think it might be a good idea to pause updates on our Android devices, as horrible as it is for security just to prevent this from happening. My OEM has a lot of bloat (Facebook and other junk apps you can't uninstall, useless system services, etc) that mostly do nothing except provide some functionality I don't use along with analytics every minute so they are uninstalled. "Disabling" an app does not do that much,…

Every single reboot on my lower end Motorola phone, they have decided it fit to re-enable com.glance.lockscreenM every single boot and on every single update. It's horrible . I don't think I can trust them to produce a Graphene phone at all, really, despite all of everyone's assurances.

At least you can disable it; on some phones (especially Chinese phones) you cannot do anything to the system services, they intercept all app requests, essentially what Google did but with their system. The only recommendation I can give you is to look into Hail (device-owner app that can "freeze" apps, a "lower level" form of disabling, see https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.aistra.hail/) which will mean even if the app gets reinstalled on system update, the device owner app will prevent it from running.

I think GrapheneOS might have issues in the future considering that Android will be getting more and more locked down. People say GrapheneOS is the better OS when it just is hardened Android; it is doomed purely because of the Android base.

Perhaps a Linux based edition of GrapheneOS would do well, even if it will not have a lot of app compatibility. There's only so much patching you have to do to Android before it just becomes more work than good.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by inigyou »

mosura wrote: post #36
inigyou wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's GrapheneOS. It's Canadian, not European. I'm not sure where LineageOS is from. BMW isn't the EU government. Like I said, someone has to actually do it. BMW Actually Did It in a really user hostile way, and that's the best we have. Why is nobody Actually Doing It but good? Or why aren't we buying MNT products?

BMW behaviour is perfectly representative of the EU mentality. As is your comment. It is basically “someone else should do this properly and I will take the benefits” but not actually willing to put up the hard bit themselves.

I'm talking about the government of the EU. You seem to be talking about all the countries and the people in the countries.

Re: On non-rooted Android 17, ADB uninstall of system apps fails

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Post by Saris »

Godsend69 wrote: post #32
createful wrote: post #7

I think it might be a good idea to pause updates on our Android devices, as horrible as it is for security just to prevent this from happening. My OEM has a lot of bloat (Facebook and other junk apps you can't uninstall, useless system services, etc) that mostly do nothing except provide some functionality I don't use along with analytics every minute so they are uninstalled. "Disabling" an app does not do that much,…

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I don't this is doing a lot, it only has 18 domains listed and is missing all tracking domains from samsung, motorola, apple, android, etc..
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