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Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by user2722 »

stiray wrote: post #325

I bought Jolla Phone 2026. Was thinking about Pixel 10 and another round of GrapheneOS, but changed my mind. Was using Sailfish OS on Sonys phone but drove me nuts for two reasons: - had to reverse banking up to kick out the checks each time when new version came out and I became quite proficient at it (decompiled into git and each new version over it, then git diff, and fix the checks, committed the changes) - worse…

Bluetooth now works with Waydroid? Seamlessly or you have to "disconnect" from host and "connect" it to Waydroid?

AFAIK, Camera (V4L) is also broken on main repo, to anyone else wondering.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by eimrine »

inigyou wrote: post #334
eimrine wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capitalists know how to hook up the intended audience. Just disallow people to use their money with any FOSS OS. RMS is crying.

It's called a card. Get a phone case with a pocket. Put the card in the pocket.

RMS is still having two reasons to cry even in your case.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by shakna »

inigyou wrote: post #338
DataDynamo wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what's your choice as a citizen then - emigrate from your country due to apps?

Show up to the government office. Say you don't have a compatible phone. Wait until they find a solution for you. I guarantee the government is not forcing 95-year-old Betsy in bumfuck nowhere with no cell coverage to learn how to use a phone. They have some solution, they're just not making it obvious.

My government's solution to this, is a physical office, where they will file the paperwork for you. You may have an average wait time of four hours to be seen, and so must devote an entire working day to the effort, but can submit without a phone.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by inigyou »

eimrine wrote: post #352
inigyou wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called a card. Get a phone case with a pocket. Put the card in the pocket.

RMS is still having two reasons to cry even in your case.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If my bank wants me to run proprietary shitware, they can supply me with their proprietary secure processor to run it on, and we're good.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by jll29 »

almindor wrote: post #292

I've been using Sailfish OS since the first Jolla phone came out in EU and Canada both. It has some hurdles but if you pay for the android subsystem it works fine. There are a lot of great native apps and you get the full linux experience.

The Jolla 2 is said to be "sold out".

Apparently, they produce the phones in batches, not sure when the next one is due?

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by specproc »

inigyou wrote: post #338
DataDynamo wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what's your choice as a citizen then - emigrate from your country due to apps?

Show up to the government office. Say you don't have a compatible phone. Wait until they find a solution for you. I guarantee the government is not forcing 95-year-old Betsy in bumfuck nowhere with no cell coverage to learn how to use a phone. They have some solution, they're just not making it obvious.

I'm in the process of buying a house, and getting some support from my Dad. AML checks required by app for both of us, he hated it.

I just called the solicitor, said "my Dad hates the app", they immediately presented an alternative.

And generally, 99% of stuff exists in browser. My phone is for messaging, photos, and reading, very little else.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by specproc »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #73
Underphil wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone's situation is different I suppose. But I do tire when people choose the convenience over the freedom. Not saying that's what you're doing, but I hear it often enough.

What do you suggest using this freedom for?

Not being surveilled, sold-to and manipulated by _my_ hardware.

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by djfergus »

rickdeckard wrote: post #331
reorder9695 wrote: post #294

I've come to the conclusion that I actually really like Android as an operating system, the internals seem remarkably well thought out and ideal for the mobile use case (so long as you're running a userdebug build with the ability to adb root in when needed), most of people's issues aren't really with Android (although Google reducing the AOSP release schedule isn't a good sign). I think the real problem is Google Pl…

> I think the real problem is Google Play Services. It's far, far too tightly integrated in a way that it just seems like Android was designed to be unusable without. This is somehow by intention. In the ramp-up of Android adoption, Vendors and carriers started to fork Android and deviate too much from the core. Google needed a leverage to tie them to stay compatible to the ecosystem, Google Mobile Services (GMS) was…

Thank you (and the GP post) for the insight.

I wonder if further developing microg or similar would be a better use of resources than Postmarket, Ubuntu touch etc? Would that be a faster path to wider adoption and therefore better chance of challenging the Android/iOS duopoly?

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by ignoramous »

rickdeckard wrote: post #331
reorder9695 wrote: post #294

I've come to the conclusion that I actually really like Android as an operating system, the internals seem remarkably well thought out and ideal for the mobile use case (so long as you're running a userdebug build with the ability to adb root in when needed), most of people's issues aren't really with Android (although Google reducing the AOSP release schedule isn't a good sign). I think the real problem is Google Pl…

> I think the real problem is Google Play Services. It's far, far too tightly integrated in a way that it just seems like Android was designed to be unusable without. This is somehow by intention. In the ramp-up of Android adoption, Vendors and carriers started to fork Android and deviate too much from the core. Google needed a leverage to tie them to stay compatible to the ecosystem, Google Mobile Services (GMS) was…

> Over time, it seems Google Play Services became the preferred vehicle for Google to rollout any kind of API-changes to have them applied on all devices immediately, without waiting for the vendor to do an OS-Upgrade.

Not really. That's a different thing viz. Android Pony Express: https://source.android.com/docs/core/ota/apex

Re: I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux

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Post by dools »

inigyou wrote: post #344
dools wrote: post #89

Speaking of Linux on mobile, I have about 300 of these things for sale with some associated hardware and software if anyone is interested (in Australia but can ship obviously) https://www.openstick.de/

This is an LLM-generated webslop.

What is, that website? It’s pretty thorough. It’s not my website but the information is all accurate.
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