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Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Post by magimas »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #519
frollogaston wrote: post #475

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Looked up LessWrong. Eh, philosophy people, also known for that "Roko's basilisk" meme. I'm gonna pass.

It's a rationalist community, IMHO their methodology of thought leads to much more well-reasoned takes on AI than on HN, where the discussion here is often very emotionally charged or led by wishful thinking. When it comes to AI, LessWrong has been discussing topics for years, that HN has just started to consider, so they are much further along in the philosophical "chain of thought" so to say. LW fully understood an…

oh please... lesswrong was full of idiots already in 2010 when people outside of that community were laughing about "self-taught expert" Yudkowsky's bullshit physics takes.

They are not "further along" the AI discussion, they are a bunch of wackos LARPing as scientists living out their personal sci-fi scenarios.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Post by sahaj »

chasd00 wrote: post #157
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #26

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> Dark clouds hovering over Google's AI game. It's not really clear what their gameplan is. From the outside, it looks like they're asleep at the wheel. Qwen/Deepseek/Kimi are crushing them from the cheap-and-open side, and they're not remotely competitive with Mythos/Sol or even plain-vanilla Opus on the "premium" tier. Gemini does actually have its uses, but they're very very marginal and niche. From day one everyb…

> everybody was saying that Google would eventually capture the AI market my take on this is eventually the money is going to run out and there's going to be acquisitions and consolidation. I think that's when Google will come out on top.

This is the real reality.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Post by weatherlite »

Filligree wrote: post #704
weatherlite wrote: post #701

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Is it failing ? Take a look at the stock price

Their stock price won’t matter once OpenAI launches the paperclippers.

Not sure what you mean

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Post by sahaj »

maxlamb wrote: post #580
dekhn wrote: post #443

New Jeff Dean fact: when Jeff leaves Google, the stock drops 20 points.

A better one: When Jeff Dean leaves Google, Google’s value drops by $200 billion (the actual market cap drop right after the news).

Watch it recover in the next 3 days. This is a buying oppo if I've seen one. The real losers are the companies that have yet to gain a userbase as large as G.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Post by atmosx »

hintymad wrote: post #514
GodelNumbering wrote: post #199

So, in last several months, all the prominent names Google lost: Demis Hassabis (technically still with google but these things are usually presented with a spin), Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, Noam Shazeer, John Jumper, Jonas Adler, Alexander Pritzel, David Silver, Denny Zhou, Fernando Pereira, Alex Turner And all the prominent names Google gained: NULL Combined with no gemini frontier GA relea…

This funny post reads surreal, but it may carry some truth: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273?lang=en

Pure gold, lol.

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Post by FeepingCreature »

frollogaston wrote: post #475
solenoid0937 wrote: post #397

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Most of HN does not take the idea of superintelligence seriously, and until this year did not take the idea of AGI seriously. I think LessWrong is a much better community for rational takes on AI, they've been reasoning about these risks for years under a much more sound logical framework

Looked up LessWrong. Eh, philosophy people, also known for that "Roko's basilisk" meme. I'm gonna pass.

Through no fault of our own, I should note. We're basically permanently associated with something Roko decided to post one day. We did not spread or popularize it; quite the opposite.

The Basilisk has seen enormously more use as "a thing rationalists believe" than as a thing rationalists actually believe.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Post by atmosx »

adityazero wrote: post #587
hintymad wrote: post #514

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This funny post reads surreal, but it may carry some truth: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273?lang=en

> sundar, softly: “we can create a permission working group.” so true. i have attended meetings to decide on meeting topics for the next half.

That’s how the Brussels bureaucracy works. There is even a TV series about it.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

glitchcrab wrote: post #251
kokanee wrote: post #236

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Does everyone want AI?

Single data point; no, I don't. I preferred the pre-AI world. It makes me sad that we'll never see it again.

Crab in a bucket. You choose your name well.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Post by solenoid0937 »

frollogaston wrote: post #610
solenoid0937 wrote: post #519

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It's a rationalist community, IMHO their methodology of thought leads to much more well-reasoned takes on AI than on HN, where the discussion here is often very emotionally charged or led by wishful thinking. When it comes to AI, LessWrong has been discussing topics for years, that HN has just started to consider, so they are much further along in the philosophical "chain of thought" so to say. LW fully understood an…

"Rationalist" just sounds like people calling themselves smart. There's a little AI skepticism on HN, but not a ton. When ChatGPT 3 and 3.5 came out, most of the comments were remarking how well it can write code.

No, it's not just people calling themselves smart, it is a specific philosophy of how to think. Whether you think that philosophy works or not is another matter.

IMO it has its flaws but is far superior to vibes-based hot takes you see on HN.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Post by Der_Einzige »

raincole wrote: post #321
firasd wrote: post #312

Who knew the real revenue unlock wouldn’t be based on how much paranoid red-teaming the model underwent to resist users jailbreaking its ‘alignment’, and instead more on whether the model is post-trained to use ‘sed’ and ‘git’? Poor Gemini Scientist-heavy orgs that want to solve everything in token space may overtook tool use; meanwhile Anthropic has been super focused on MCP, Claude Code etc for over a year

Out of the three main US AI companies' models, Gemini is obviously the less aligned (read: censored). So I really don't know what you're talking about.

Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

The more people find out that gemini 3.1 pro on the google AI playground or via API is de-facto uncensored, the more likely google will put up actually working guardrails and end the fun for everyone!

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