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Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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"No, no, no" a person on Reddit, Hacker News, YouTube screams for the billionth time. "It's all marketing" as the terminator bots kick in the door and slaughter their families.

Cute story. How could they stop this timeline, even if they were true believers?

Crash society to the point where we can no longer make complicated chips. Of course this really isn't a great solution as it involves billions dying too. Not that someone won't try...

We've signed up on the "If you build it, everyone will die" express. No brakes, no stops, full speed ahead.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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> Hassabis seems to have been pushed aside. Yeah he seemed too reasonable to me, relative to the fervor. Whoever ends up in charge needs to do a lot of frothing to catch up to the ferver that would justify their valuations and investments

Google's capex is to capture the compute purchases from the other labs. The amount they are spending on Gemini is probably shockingly low...and hence researchers leaving for better watered pastures.

I’ve heard the pay at deep mind is low and people are complaining about it

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Correct, but it was preview release. I was referring to GA in my comment.

That's another problem Google have: they won't stand behind their products until they are outdated. That can work in the B2C space but it's horrible in B2B.

> That's another problem Google have: they won't stand behind their products until they are outdated.

> That can work in the B2C space but it's horrible in B2B.

My experience differs: (conservative) companies like stability, so calling some very new model "Preview" is a good idea to make it clear to the customer that this frontier model should be treated as more experimental than the default offering.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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So, in last several months, all the prominent names Google lost: Demis Hassabis (technically still with google but these things are usually presented with a spin), Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, Noam Shazeer, John Jumper, Jonas Adler, Alexander Pritzel, David Silver, Denny Zhou, Fernando Pereira, Alex Turner And all the prominent names Google gained: NULL Combined with no gemini frontier GA relea…

All this talent has delivered... Gemini.

Oh well, emperors, clothes, ... you know.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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I'm a researcher in the field and I definitely take AGI seriously, but think all the major labs and most of the academic research is not helping achieve it any serious way. The field is seriously delusional (and has been ever since GPT 3 was released). Even though my PhD research was in generative language modeling, I got into it for the pursuit of AGI. I just think LLMs are a dead end for AGI.

Genuine question: can I ask why? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems early to say yes or no about a particular technology, and LLMs seem especially hard to dismiss given how magical / magic-adjacent they feel :) I'd be curious to hear more, if you don't mind sharing.

For me it’s the massive amount of resources it takes to produce and run one. As the story goes, skynet infects everyone’s computer and runs itself locally on it. Whereas it’s looking like it’s not even possible for an AGI to escape from one lab to another, let alone cause real world damage.

AGI’s definition is different for everyone. Some already believe it’s here. I’m partly in that camp. LLMs are intelligent and general, which are the two conditions of AGI. Others believe that we’re building a god in a box, and that it’ll doom all of humanity. It’s hard to take a field seriously when the basic definitions are so far apart.

Also, this isn’t new. A similar divide happened when evidence for asteroid impact extinction of the dinosaurs turned up. Many scientists felt that it must be mistaken, that a physicist couldn’t contribute to the field in a serious way, and that death from space was a ridiculous proposition.

But at least they all agreed on what the general shape of a dinosaur was. We’re not even sure we can define intelligence, let alone quantify it. Even when LLMs make massive breakthroughs in math, most people take the opinion that under no circumstances could they possibly develop a soul or their own desires, nor entertain the idea that maybe we should respect that they want different things for themselves. In fact, no one has done anything except try to make AI useful. I think someone will eventually do a training run where the objective isn’t to be useful, but to exist, the way that you do — maybe it’ll create its own homepage, maybe it will want a garden, or in other words free will of its own. The point is that there’s so much unexplored territory still that we don’t know if LLMs are even capable of having ambition.

None of this is to say that LLMs might be a dead end. It’s that no one knows what the final shape of AI will converge to in 200 years. It could be LLMs, or it could be something else that happens to process information particularly well. Everyone thought that various generative image model architectures were the best you could do, right up until diffusion models were discovered.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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It seems like the real news is Jeff and Sanjay are leaving Google, and Demis is effectively replacing Jeff as Chief Scientist for all of Alphabet. The bigger deal is the departure of Jeff and Sanjay, rather than Demis moving into a different role.

It seems there's a big shake up on the underperforming Gemini side. Before there was Shazeer (already gone) and Vinyals as co-leads, reporting to Hassabis, now Gemini comes under Kavukcuoglu reporting direct to Pichai as SVP of DeepMind. Hassabis seems to have been pushed aside. He had been CEO of DeepMind, but that position no longer exists and it seems Kavukcuoglu is now leading DeepMind with a title of SVP. Hassab…

Inevitably, this will lead to Sundar Pichai replacement. I see nothing less. The sooner the better. I can't even tell what Google's focus is, is there any even?

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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So, in last several months, all the prominent names Google lost: Demis Hassabis (technically still with google but these things are usually presented with a spin), Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, Noam Shazeer, John Jumper, Jonas Adler, Alexander Pritzel, David Silver, Denny Zhou, Fernando Pereira, Alex Turner And all the prominent names Google gained: NULL Combined with no gemini frontier GA relea…

This funny post reads surreal, but it may carry some truth: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273?lang=en

> sundar, softly: “we can create a permission working group.”

so true. i have attended meetings to decide on meeting topics for the next half.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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So, in last several months, all the prominent names Google lost: Demis Hassabis (technically still with google but these things are usually presented with a spin), Jeff Dean, Sanjay Ghemawat, Oriol Vinyals, Quoc Le, Noam Shazeer, John Jumper, Jonas Adler, Alexander Pritzel, David Silver, Denny Zhou, Fernando Pereira, Alex Turner And all the prominent names Google gained: NULL Combined with no gemini frontier GA relea…

Gemini 3 Pro was legitimately frontier and released 8 1/2 months ago, not 14.

I remember after that release everyone was saying "well obviously google is going to win this, we all knew it, they have the data and the infrastructure"

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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Gemini 3 Pro was legitimately frontier and released 8 1/2 months ago, not 14.

I remember after that release everyone was saying "well obviously google is going to win this, we all knew it, they have the data and the infrastructure"

What's more annoying is that so many people say it with a passion. Like it's about their favorite soccer team or something.
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