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Post by godwinson__4-8 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #211
godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #141

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>He's so evil but the vast majority of Americans can't give up his products? Is he forcing people to login to Instagram or Facebook? People are perfectly fine with him making products, what they aren't fine with is he (and his peers) starting to think they're kings and trying to overrule the citizens of a state he doesn't live in. If it comes down to a chatbot and the latter they'll chose the latter. The datacenter o…

The modern American standard of life is based on global integration and state power.

If you want to go back to some Garden of Eden fiction regarding Plymouth Rock based on the propagandizing of America's first nepo president you will not find much competition in your pursuit of a life of poverty and subsistence farming. Go log off and enjoy the woods.

Or get serious and propose a plan for continued American economic dominance and standard of life in a world where data centers are demonized, when the economic engine of the future is compute.

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Post by perpetuallunch »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #206
locknitpicker wrote: post #156

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> Opposition to data centers is like 90% hatred of Silicon Valley and its obstinate elites. One they amplified by trying to build these things sneakily. This is utter nonsense, and reeks of a desperate and deep denial. I mean, you might as well rationalize your denial by claiming they don't like you because they don't like you. Have you tried actually listening to what critics have to say? Nimby doesn't just pop up o…

> Have you tried actually listening to what critics have to say? Nimby I wouldn’t dismiss the critics as NIMBY. They are closer to fuck it, nowhere. Some opposition is just anti-AI or misinformed about e.g. water use. But most of them have legitimate complaints about, on one hand, noise and power prices and, on the other hand, the shocking lack of contribution to local employment or taxes from these structures mintin…

I don’t understand why entry of a large consumer of electric in to an area should result in higher residential electricity prices.

The new large-consumer can pay for the electricity it uses all by itself. If new generating capacity is required to meet the new, higher, demand, that should be factored in to the supply contract with the new large-consumer.

What is the rationale for jacking up residential retail prices? And what is it supposed to achieve?

If the argument is the whole sale price increases because there’s more demand, none of that new demand is coming from the pre-existing residential users, what does it have to do with them?

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Post by AussieWog93 »

joe_the_user wrote: post #231
ericcumbee wrote: post #125

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Property Tax revenue, and they are not a drain on services like schools, roads, fire department, police department etc. I'm watching this debate in a town that i am from and where I live. Our choices are pretty much be swallowed up by growth from neighboring cities and become a bed room community or solar farms and data centers. The downside with becoming a bedroom community is you risk creating a negative tax base.…

Data centers have the potential for fire and so local fire departments must spend resources being prepared for such a thing. Edit: water (and sometimes electricity) are local services also and data centers use quite a bit of these.

Not a data centre expert, but don't they quite famously pump CO2 into the server rooms automatically if the fire alarms go off, even if there are people in the room?

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Post by Gigachad »

peyton wrote: post #91
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I wonder if this will incentivize pushing compute back toward the user instead of in big centralized facilities, sonething like a repeat of the PC revolution. Or will it just incentivize harsher treatment of noncompliant parts of the population? Or just pushing these things far from urban areas where they probably should have been already? Probably a bit of each, and some more I'm not thinking of.

It’s going to the high frontier. Orbital/lunar. It’s too important not to harden.

This is an investor scam and not a real proposal.

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Post by Gigachad »

esikich wrote: post #178
mixdup wrote: post #108

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You can advocate for changes to a system while living and existing within the system. In fact, that's probably required to actually make any changes. No one is going to listen to some crazy kook in a cabin in Montana

You can't without making an effort to reduce your dependence on it. The most anti DC people I see are chronically online blasting their shit all over social media. Typically influencers, who make a living using said DCs, all day long. Social media directly supports what they are against. There are other ways to spread your message and when they choose the one method that directly goes against the message they are try…

These new datacenters aren’t for powering social media. All this extra capacity is for slop generators actively making the world worse.

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Post by scheme271 »

tptacek wrote: post #190
MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #183

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Office buildings employ considerably more people, support nearby restaurants, consume less power and water, produce virtually no infrasound, and are more attractive than data centers. I'd rather have an office building next to my house than a data center, especially if they would not be providing me colocation services at a steep discount.

Office buildings are not more attractive than data centers; that's my whole argument. In format, massing, and design, data centers essentially are office buildings, just with drastically less parking. Asphalt is the biggest eyesore in commercial real estate. (Data centers consume immaterial amounts of water.)

The data center might be more attractive but the office building provides more jobs and resources to the local community. You skipped that point in your reply. Even if most of the people working in the office building aren't from the area, those people are getting food and other services from local businesses. All that money goes to the local community and supports local businesses.

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Post by godwinson__4-8 »

watwut wrote: post #252
godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #141

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> He's so evil but the vast majority of Americans can't give up his products? Hello maynmar genocide. Hello selling weight loss products to teenagers algorithms determined as having low self esteem. Yes, in winner takes all economy, one person can be prettt evil and have all tge economic power.

What complicity in such evil does a user of his products face, if any? Are most people evil then? If not, what excuse for them can you offer that does not rob them of their human agency? Or do you agree with another commenter that all users of his products are necessarily zombies?

Speaking of such creatures: If someone trolls you on his platform, is that his fault too? What conduct should he control on such a wide platform? What should he not? Is an oversight in said control, in either direction, tantamount to the guilt of conducting the act in question itself?

Is your version of the dead internet theory that Mark Zuckerberg authors all posts on Facebook? Do you have any answers? Or do you offer only scapegoats?

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Post by egormakarov »

perpetuallunch wrote: post #143
warkdarrior wrote: post #122

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> You can't plant trees in a rail yard. Why not?

Seen what a tree can do to a sidewalk? You can step over or walk around cracked and buckled concrete. Trains don’t appreciate having their rail ballast disturbed.

I think trains are ok with trees. I checked satellite view - there are a lot of rail tracks in Chicago going directly along tree lines. The rail yards indeed look like tracks on concrete with nothing else, but when I look at German ones - there are trees and bushes.

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Post by jrflowers »

gilthelander wrote: post #236
jrflowers wrote: post #179

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That’s wild, where do all the people from Aurora work? The data centers? Also what does the specific building or set of buildings you hate in one town have to do with the concept of office buildings

> That’s wild, where do all the people from Aurora work? Last I checked, Aurora had a large blue-collar Latino population, many of whom are successful tradespeople. These people commute to construction sites elsewhere during the day, and perhaps your own neighborhood, where HN posters snitch to the town if they use a leaf blower within 1500' of their home office.

> These people commute to construction sites elsewhere during the day

While it is a shame that tptacek has to see “commuters“ going both ways it is good to know that the people of Aurora have this beautiful park

https://www.cyrusone.com/data-centers/north-america/aurora-i...

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