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Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by joe_the_user »

ericcumbee wrote: post #125
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But data centers basically take land and resources and generate almost nothing for the local community. The jobs are minimal after the data center is built. It's a giant windowless box. I would much rather have a strip mall in my community. Strip malls often have local businesses as tenants (so money made by the business then gets spent in the community), and they provide services the local community can interact wit…

Property Tax revenue, and they are not a drain on services like schools, roads, fire department, police department etc. I'm watching this debate in a town that i am from and where I live. Our choices are pretty much be swallowed up by growth from neighboring cities and become a bed room community or solar farms and data centers. The downside with becoming a bedroom community is you risk creating a negative tax base.…

Data centers have the potential for fire and so local fire departments must spend resources being prepared for such a thing.

Edit: water (and sometimes electricity) are local services also and data centers use quite a bit of these.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by DANmode »

namdnay wrote: post #209
DANmode wrote: post #197

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> The water thing is, I think, baloney It’s legal/permitted in most cases, but it’s certainly a problem, what these specific data centers are dispensing into the water table in certain places. What exactly are you saying is baloney?

The water sediment thing had nothing to do with the building being a data center I think? Any form of construction would interfere with people drinking well water next to it

I am not talking about sediment, or anything construction-related.

This is normal operations being done irresponsibly:

1.) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/08/meta-datacen...

2.) https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/saline-township-residen...

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by ab5tract »

ericcumbee wrote: post #125
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But data centers basically take land and resources and generate almost nothing for the local community. The jobs are minimal after the data center is built. It's a giant windowless box. I would much rather have a strip mall in my community. Strip malls often have local businesses as tenants (so money made by the business then gets spent in the community), and they provide services the local community can interact wit…

Property Tax revenue, and they are not a drain on services like schools, roads, fire department, police department etc. I'm watching this debate in a town that i am from and where I live. Our choices are pretty much be swallowed up by growth from neighboring cities and become a bed room community or solar farms and data centers. The downside with becoming a bedroom community is you risk creating a negative tax base.…

Property tax revenue seem highly unlikely when the DC operators have been given enormous tax cuts.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by ricardobayes »

mixdup wrote: post #24

I don't know what DC Blox was going to put in this particular datacenter, but they are a "traditional" colocation datacenter company. Maybe this one would've been superdense GPUs with a jet engine as electrical generator causing all kinds of noise, but it's also just as likely this would've been a project that 5 years ago no one would've batted an eye over, and wouldn't cause any issues in the local neighborhood That…

I think this general situation has been on peoples' minds since Erin Bronkovich. Gosh that movie came out 26 years ago.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by gilthelander »

jrflowers wrote: post #179
tptacek wrote: post #171

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The office buildings next to the CyrusOne data centers in the western suburbs are not filled with people from Aurora. They're filled with commuters.

That’s wild, where do all the people from Aurora work? The data centers? Also what does the specific building or set of buildings you hate in one town have to do with the concept of office buildings

> That’s wild, where do all the people from Aurora work?

Last I checked, Aurora had a large blue-collar Latino population, many of whom are successful tradespeople.

These people commute to construction sites elsewhere during the day, and perhaps your own neighborhood, where HN posters snitch to the town if they use a leaf blower within 1500' of their home office.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by hall0ween »

haunter wrote: post #205

Same city: >The 60,000-seat stadium is projected to cost $2.1 billion, including $1.26 billion of public money—the largest stadium subsidy in U.S. history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Stadium_(2027)

Amazing that the new stadium has less capacity too

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by bryan_w »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #128
hackernud3s wrote: post #75

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Right? How do people not understand this? Have fun with your super-high latency when the DCs leave your city.

The signal speed in fiber is some 200k km/s. If you go 10 miles outside of a city, you are adding 0.1ms ping, and you will have dramatically fewer pitch forks. The ping between New York and LA is ~70msec. Chatting with a LLM is not latency sensitive.

Is this DC even for LLMs? I've not seen any sign of that.

Considering that the initial build out was only 10MW, it seems unlikely that was the primary usecase.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by kube-system »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #128
hackernud3s wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? How do people not understand this? Have fun with your super-high latency when the DCs leave your city.

The signal speed in fiber is some 200k km/s. If you go 10 miles outside of a city, you are adding 0.1ms ping, and you will have dramatically fewer pitch forks. The ping between New York and LA is ~70msec. Chatting with a LLM is not latency sensitive.

But if it’s a colo it’s unlikely to have many LLMs running there. The big AI datacenters are mostly purpose built.

Re: Nashville uses eminent domain to block data center near zoo

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Post by bryan_w »

altcognito wrote: post #95
flerchin wrote: post #20

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The biggest externality is the electrical usage. IDK why they keep mentioning water. The AI DCs are driving huge loads to grids, and all ratepayers are being asked to pay for that. IMO if they built a solar + battery farm on grid, paid by AI DCs, there would be no significant hurdles.

I used to think it was just electricity. It could be just electricity, but when they try to divert hundreds of millions of gallons out of water scarce resources like the colorado river[1] in dry, HOT areas where water usage rises -- you can begin to understand why people are irritated. Even if you get promises of using closed systems, corporations are liars. I think these corporations do a lot of harm to their own ar…

This is about a DC in Nashville -- it is on the Cumberland river.
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