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Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by yunnpp »

awesomeusername wrote: post #27

Genuine question, especially here on HN. Why would a developer use Windows in 2026? I even develop windows apps. On Linux, built on GitHub actions. If I had windows forced on me for corp reasons, like I did once, just full screen a VM

> If I had windows forced on me for corp reasons, like I did once, just full screen a VM

Ah, the naivete of the innocent. You are vastly underestimating the amount of spyware like Crapstrike Falcon that the IT department will force on you. And you think that shit runs on a VM?

Consider yourself lucky that you don't suffer Windows at work. I have only a single thought for all Microsoft software: death.

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by kalleboo »

andy800 wrote: post #23

My Windows 11 laptop with 32 GB RAM only allows for about 10-12gb user addressable before starting to crash. I do keep a lot of Chrome tabs open so that can easily get to 6-8gb, plus IntelliJ can use another 4-5. Add on VScode, sometimes Firefox or Opera, an email client, some other utilities (or god forbid try opening WSL), and I'm constantly getting crashes. And as I stated, only about 12gb of applications on a 32g…

What kind of crashes? Could you have bad RAM and the crashes start once the bad chip get put into use?

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by andy800 »

kalleboo wrote: post #32
andy800 wrote: post #23

My Windows 11 laptop with 32 GB RAM only allows for about 10-12gb user addressable before starting to crash. I do keep a lot of Chrome tabs open so that can easily get to 6-8gb, plus IntelliJ can use another 4-5. Add on VScode, sometimes Firefox or Opera, an email client, some other utilities (or god forbid try opening WSL), and I'm constantly getting crashes. And as I stated, only about 12gb of applications on a 32g…

What kind of crashes? Could you have bad RAM and the crashes start once the bad chip get put into use?

I would show you task manager showing 100% of user addressable space being used. It seems to reserve at least half of its memory for Windows itself or background processes. What kind of crashes? Applications just shutting down without warning, or Chrome slowing down and struggling to display anything, or itself closing. If there is a setting I could change, I've likely tried it, but I'm open to suggestions.

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by zamalek »

rock_artist wrote: post #19
kingstnap wrote: post #14

If you are planning to use vibe coded programs then you better plan for a lot of RAM. Well I say planning when its really being thrust upon you in a lot of cases. But be extremely mindful when looking at anything touched by Anthropic or OpenAI. These coding agents have terrible feedback cycles for lag and memory leaks. A particularly egregious one is GPU usage which is absurdly high in most of these apps due to terri…

I think that is a bold statement. It depends on who’s promoting as well as the stack and the app and the complexity. To be honest (no pun intended here), I’ve actually benefited from finding leaks and optimizing code paths by such tools. As long as something is measurable and testable you can benefit from AI. Worth mentioning, I mostly do C++ code at my work.

At least so far as Microsoft goes, it is abundantly clear that they do not use LLMs like you claim to. The gp comment is an extremely fair assumption.

I'd also wager that people like you are extreme anomalies in general. We are seeing decreasing software quality across the industry. Your statement is the bold one.

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by conception »

yunnpp wrote: post #31
awesomeusername wrote: post #27

Genuine question, especially here on HN. Why would a developer use Windows in 2026? I even develop windows apps. On Linux, built on GitHub actions. If I had windows forced on me for corp reasons, like I did once, just full screen a VM

> If I had windows forced on me for corp reasons, like I did once, just full screen a VM Ah, the naivete of the innocent. You are vastly underestimating the amount of spyware like Crapstrike Falcon that the IT department will force on you. And you think that shit runs on a VM? Consider yourself lucky that you don't suffer Windows at work. I have only a single thought for all Microsoft software: death.

Just an FYI but Crapstrike has a linux client.

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by picofarad »

andy800 wrote: post #23

My Windows 11 laptop with 32 GB RAM only allows for about 10-12gb user addressable before starting to crash. I do keep a lot of Chrome tabs open so that can easily get to 6-8gb, plus IntelliJ can use another 4-5. Add on VScode, sometimes Firefox or Opera, an email client, some other utilities (or god forbid try opening WSL), and I'm constantly getting crashes. And as I stated, only about 12gb of applications on a 32g…

You need to run memtest.

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by picofarad »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #25
sunshine-o wrote: post #3

Spyware and bloat ain't cheap these days. Linux users don't rejoice too much, the Fedoras and Ubuntus were eating so much of my RAM I had to take refuge in Alpine.

> ... the Fedoras and Ubuntus were eating so much of my RAM I had to take refuge in Alpine ... The name of the bloat you're looking for is called "systemd". Even though it's still kinda, sorta, possible to keep a lean Debian install in check (and Debian by default uses systemd), systemd is quite the gigantic kitchen sink. In the Fedoras and Ubuntus it's indeed out of control now. The one thing that speeds up a system…

Debian-like without systemd: devuan. I actually use it instead of gentoo these days for VMs since I dont have to compile everything. Sacrilege, from me, gentoo user since 2005 or so.

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by spwa4 »

AshleyGrant wrote: post #12

Had a laptop purchased in December 2024 with 16 GB of RAM. Running a single VS Code instance and Edge with maybe 10 tabs consumed almost 100% of the RAM. Doing any actual development work required me to upgrade to 64 gigs of RAM. Thankfully it required DDR4 SODIMMs and I had two lying around from a recently deceased Mini PC.

I've always found that it's pretty amazing how much effective speed can be gained by thinking about your memory usage and doing things that "don't make sense", such as leaving requests compressed in memory. Even re-compressing them after decryption is "obviously" less efficient than not doing so ... except it' can be faster, even on servers with 192GB ram.

Half the articles on Go vs Java also make this point. "We're so much easier on memory usage than Java's Object and that alone gives us a XX% speed boost".

It also can become an extra layer of protection against thrashing when overloaded.

I wish people put more attention into this.

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by pjmlp »

> It has reduced memory overhead across apps and components and has optimized WinUI 3 to make built-in apps use less memory.

Anyone with developer experience with the WinUI 3 mess, knows that until now this is only marketing that Windows outlets keep repeating out from Microsoft corporate marketing.

Re: Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting Mentions of 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Win 11

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Post by pjmlp »

awesomeusername wrote: post #27

Genuine question, especially here on HN. Why would a developer use Windows in 2026? I even develop windows apps. On Linux, built on GitHub actions. If I had windows forced on me for corp reasons, like I did once, just full screen a VM

Game development, all those desktop applications that 70% of the market happens to use?

Additionally some of us really enjoy Visual Studio with the .NET ecosystem, the C++ tooling able to do hot reloading, REPL, debug release binaries?

Powershell based tooling.

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