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Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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I'm wondering what people expect these companies to do? Human moderators? Sure, but Meta products have approximately half the worlds population using them. At this scale it's pretty mind bogglingly difficult to moderate down everything. The ads/posts served per second is an astronomical number. This truly is a case where AI is the solution. There's no way to automate this at scale with humans. As AI gets better hopef…

Your right! We should also reduce food safety requirements for McDonalds and other large restaurants. At their scale it’s just too hard to keep everything clean.

There was just an outbreak at Taco Bell - should we fine Yum! Brands out of existence. liquidate their assets and imprison the executives, like some people elsewhere in the discussion seem to be advocating for? Should we add a few billion dollars in operating costs in increased food safety regulations?

The societally optimal amount of regulation will most likely not completely eliminate outbreaks, presuming diminishing returns.

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So that's why they are lobbying for age verification, i.e ID verification?

Meta is lobbying for age verification because it helps provide an institutional moat for them against the open web.

Could you elaborate?

I thought Meta wants to put the burden onto the platform, i.e. Apple and Google, is what they are lobbying for.

https://pluribusnews.com/news-and-events/meta-lobbies-for-ap...

What is the institutional moat?

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I've noticed on YouTube I see a lot of adult sexual ads. Things like home cleaning ads that have an unmistakable wood-grain image of fellatio. I've always wondered "how are these getting past the moderators?". I guess the answer is the obvious one: no one is moderating anything.

But that can't be true! From the article (with a probably irrelevant fact added by me):

  "Sexual exploitation is horrific, and we work aggressively to keep it off our platform" a Meta [which in the past 2 years has laid off and disbanded all teams responsible for this] spokesperson says.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Your right! We should also reduce food safety requirements for McDonalds and other large restaurants. At their scale it’s just too hard to keep everything clean.

There was just an outbreak at Taco Bell - should we fine Yum! Brands out of existence. liquidate their assets and imprison the executives, like some people elsewhere in the discussion seem to be advocating for? Should we add a few billion dollars in operating costs in increased food safety regulations? The societally optimal amount of regulation will most likely not completely eliminate outbreaks, presuming diminishi…

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Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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I've noticed on YouTube I see a lot of adult sexual ads. Things like home cleaning ads that have an unmistakable wood-grain image of fellatio. I've always wondered "how are these getting past the moderators?". I guess the answer is the obvious one: no one is moderating anything.

Google Play Store showed my child an ad of a bloody body on a bed for a murder mystery game. The game was rated 18+ and the account had my daughter’s correct single digit age. I reported the ad and a week later it was still there. I switched to Apple.

Unfortunately, I’ve seen MA ads for kids games on iPhone as well. Possibly not as bad but not great. It seems to be better than it was two years ago.

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Yes it's meaningful, and the fine amount should reflect that. But hypothetically, if it's (just throwing a random number out there) 1 image in 50 billion, and Facebook gets more benefit from the 50 billion good images than society loses from the 1 bad one, and society recovers its loss from Facebook via a fine, but the fine isn't big enough to make them change their behavior, how exactly is that a problem?

The problem is equating profitability with what societies want and don’t want. Morality exists outside of the business world (and it should inside as well). Further, it is a societies’ right to enforce the boundaries of what business are allow to do / not do. For example: banning ads along roads and scenic areas. Idk, the whole idea of “how much fines will I get doing X shitty business practice” is just gross. I’d ra…

Perhaps, but when you're operating at any significant scale accidents become a statistical certainty. 0 screw ups, ever is not a realistically achievable goal. And if some limited number of screw ups is allowable, that necessarily becomes an insurable cost that amounts to "just the cost of doing business", so I don't really see the complaint.

Concrete example: If you run a construction business, even if you take all the required precautions, statistically you're going to get 9.2 of your employees killed for every 100,000 man-hours they work.[1] Is that proof all construction companies are evil, and we should shut them down for murdering their employees? Is it a problem that having to buy life insurance is "just a cost of doing business" for these companies?

[1]: https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-inju...

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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Personally I find these kinds of things fascinating. Partially for the practical problem it represents and it's facets but also the one sided backlash of it all. Moderation is an interesting conglomerate of so many factors.

First of all I don't think Meta is a good or honest company, but that doesn't mean they're not trying at all. In reality even if they were good and honest I genuinely believe their task is probably nearly impossible. Humans just suck too much. It certainly doesn't help that Meta has at least some perverse incentive to be permissive with ads, as they get money from them. Though Meta execs aren't stupid. Inflammatory political ads are one thing, kiddie porn is another I suspect they lose more money over CSAM than all the ad revenue from them. I believe them when they say they removed over 36 million pieces of child sexual exploitation content last year.

Which is a number that I should let sink in. Basically more than one piece of CSAM shows up in their ad stream every second of every day all year. If their moderation techniques are 99% effective that results in 360,000 CSAM ads leaking to the public annually.

Another interesting thought is how much would it cost to actually get that rate to 100%? let's assume human moderators aren't paid much but are infallible. That all-in a single moderator employee costs $65K , that's salary, benefits, HR ratio, psychological therapy, equipment, the works, all factored in.

let's say on average you get about 1 ad review ~every 2 minutes, so bout 250 ads per-day per-employee factoring in some time off you actually get about 65,000 reviews a year. So bout $1 per review. So the question begs how many distinct ads enter their system each year? which I haven't found a stat for. But assuming only 1 in 1000 ads are CSAM, which still feels high but is probably a reasonable ratio. we get 36 billion ads needing review annually. At a dollar each 23% of their gross annual ad revenue each year would be just moderation overhead and they would need to hire over 550,000 moderators.

Evil or not I think they organically built a thing that operates at an unimaginable scale, that even moderation with failures in the parts-per-million would result in tens of thousands of unsavory or unscrupulous ads reaching users and they have neither the incentive nor the capacity to reach even that level of accuracy.

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Something like three strikes and the CEO, top executives, and three primary share holders go to jail while forcing the company to dissolve seems to be the only solution to removing bad actors in corporate settings.

Careful, I was called a "radical" on this site for suggesting a corporate death penalty. Because jobs are so important that when a corporation risks its own existence so it can break laws, dissolving the corporation as punishment is the government's fault and not the corporation's.

I am not worried about that all nor any down votes.

Empathy for other people and the environment is a sign of intelligence. Those that don't think of how their actions affects those around them and the neighbors they will never meet nor the environment have an lack of intelligent.

Those that lack empathy are the same that idolize bad actors like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg. Greed and the desire for it is a high indicator of lack of intelligence.

There is a difference between being well off and greedy. I would argue that Steve Wozniak is a great example and better of the two Steves from Apple to highlight this.

I have created jobs and brought in international commerce to where I live. I produce solutions for companies I don't even know their names. I have kept people safe and will never know their names nor will their families know mine. None of which has deluded my empathy for others, human and non-human, and the environment.

My previous statement was codified in another thread. This statement is a two part. One to re-enforce my empathy and a social experiment.

I feel sorry for those that lack empathy. Empathy is the only way to put yourself in someone else's shoes. Intelligence is a by-product. There is no other way to live a life you can never have nor experience.

Label of _radical_ is something I welcome. When former co-workers and people you meet want to shake your hand before leaving after giving them constructive criticize, it is a surreal experience. Not when it first happens, when it repeats itself.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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The filter you want is named 'uBlock Origin' :)

Indeed, and the Revanced apk customisation on Android, and SmartTube on Google TV. I've not seen an ad from Youtube for probably 10+ years on my devices (since whenever Vanced made the apk customisations popular).

I don't need Revanced as I already have uBlock Origin.

Re: Meta Ran Ads That Contained AI-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Imagery

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I've noticed on YouTube I see a lot of adult sexual ads. Things like home cleaning ads that have an unmistakable wood-grain image of fellatio. I've always wondered "how are these getting past the moderators?". I guess the answer is the obvious one: no one is moderating anything.

Firefox and uBlock Origin will prevent you seeing any ads. I didn't even want to use it until the adds got so repetitive.
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