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Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by senderista »

sarreph wrote: post #134
dilap wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're too kind. It's obviously AI copy, and a huge negative signal (to me, anyway).

I'm always hesitant to assert something is definitely AI copy because everyone's tone of voice is different. I'm also starting to wonder how much real, human-made copy is mimicking AI-created copy that has been filling marketing pages as of late. When people make marketing websites, they often riff and rip off other websites' (à la "Good artists copy; great artists steal"[0]) design ideas and language -- I wouldn't b…

Why do you think an AI-focused company would hesitate to put AI-generated copy on their website?

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

Daunk wrote: post #48
yza wrote: post #38

Why develop this when the core editor is almost unusable? On Linux wayland, copypaste is broken, the file manager is laggy and snippets do not trigger before the heavy hint logic is done. This is just on top of my head, the list is long

It still doesn't actually display a window my end until I press a keyboard key or move the mouse. So very often I sit and wait for it to open, only to realize I have to press a random key for it to unhide. Terrible Linux support.

That's something I've never encountered on Linux/KDE/Wayland/Flatpak across Debian Trixie, Arch, and Fedora. Might be worth nuking your local Zed files and trying again.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by senderista »

nxc18 wrote: post #109
jackling wrote: post #78

I really do like Zed, it's snappier than VS code and with pretty good vim emulation. Even through SSH, the native UI allows for no network latency, compared to something like vim+terminal. Like many other posters, I do feel like the core editor is getting worse. Some issues I've encountered recently at work: - Routinely encounter bugs with the python language server, it's particularly slow when compared to using VSCo…

Yeah apparently Zed was engineered for speed but I find it very slow in general, especially on startup. VS Code can slow down as you add functionality, but Zed often just doesn’t have that functionality at all. So the proper comparison is “VS Code minus all extension-provided features” which is actually pretty fast.

Too bad VCs won't give you money for just building a fast editor.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by senderista »

cute_boi wrote: post #11
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #7

This is a big unsolved dev tooling problem. Glad someone competent is working on it.

Yes, but it saps away the time that could be used to improve zed.

I wonder if a large enough user community could fork zed and actually make progress on the bugs that matter?

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by pzmarzly »

internet2000 wrote: post #96
NoDodgeQuestion wrote: post #6

Zed should focus on basics. When it focuses on basics Zed is good. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/54150 failing to show newly created files and declining to provide a refresh button, instead adding a polling backend, breaks Zed on WSL. Why a new version control system? Why not git, jj, or another existing system?

I don't want Zed to focus on accommodating WSL's quirks.

I would like Zed to have feature parity with VSCode from 6 years ago. Working well over SSH or WSL, which it currently doesn't, is a part of that, even if I don't use that everyday.

I am a paying user, and have no plans to stop supporting them financially, but I wish they locked in and went through GH Issues queue, starting from the oldest.

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by sarreph »

senderista wrote: post #141
sarreph wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always hesitant to assert something is definitely AI copy because everyone's tone of voice is different. I'm also starting to wonder how much real, human-made copy is mimicking AI-created copy that has been filling marketing pages as of late. When people make marketing websites, they often riff and rip off other websites' (à la "Good artists copy; great artists steal"[0]) design ideas and language -- I wouldn't b…

Why do you think an AI-focused company would hesitate to put AI-generated copy on their website?

Hah :)

In my opinion / experience, AI copy is a generally more cumbersome to read and process. So I would assume a company at Series B stage would have a human (with marketing guidelines) go over the language used on a one-pager to announce a new product.

But -- evidently -- anyone's guess!

Re: Zed DeltaDB

#147

Post by embedding-shape »

stusmall wrote: post #130
umvi wrote: post #75

Hmm, yeah before "DeltaDB" I have a big list of things I would rather they develop/fix: - Vertical activity bar ( https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/58868#issuecommen... - rejected because it "doesn’t match our design vision for Zed") This is my #1 annoyance: clicking microscopic icons at the very bottom of the screen to switch views. - Don't crash my entire PC when there's a large (100+ MB) JSON file in the…

> Don't crash my entire PC when there's a large (100+ MB) JSON file in the working directory I don't think you can put this on Zed. An unprivileged userspace application, even if coded poorly, shouldn't crash the machine.

> An unprivileged userspace application, even if coded poorly, shouldn't crash the machine.

How would you prevent that? It can write until root disk is full, can take all your memory, saturate your CPU and a whole bunch of other stuff we (users) like to be able to do for the things that need them.

Unless you're suggesting something like Qubes or similar UX?

Re: Zed DeltaDB

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Post by [deleted] »

umvi wrote: post #75

Hmm, yeah before "DeltaDB" I have a big list of things I would rather they develop/fix: - Vertical activity bar ( https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/58868#issuecommen... - rejected because it "doesn’t match our design vision for Zed") This is my #1 annoyance: clicking microscopic icons at the very bottom of the screen to switch views. - Don't crash my entire PC when there's a large (100+ MB) JSON file in the…

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Re: Zed DeltaDB

#149

Post by gcr »

echelon wrote: post #107
dlisboa wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should be a concept called "engineering privilege". I see some companies do things that are widely out of their core product and engineers there just having fun with a bunch of different stuff with seemingly no commitment to bring in revenue. They'll re-invent/re-write things constantly, write a new compiler/package manager for their chosen language, create new frameworks, new open source projects unrelated to…

> Every change is linked to the agent conversation that produced it. From any line of code, find the conversation. From any message, jump to the code it touched. This is how Zed leapfrogs the field and becomes a centicorn. If you can train a model to operate at a higher level and with looser requirements, you've gotten rid of engineers in the loop and built a system for the automated synthesis of high quality softwar…

It's not just a step, it's a leap towards real productivity that your agents will actually use!
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